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Billet fuel rails?

Any one know a reasonable place to get them. Still shopping for EFI parts and since i am planning on being able to run e-85 and big injectors figured the stock 3.2 fuel rails might be too small. I have seen billet fuel rails on some cars. I know GSF sold them probably knock offs but don't think they in business anymore. Any way was wondering who else is making them.
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These guys have got some great stuff.

It requires some DIY, But it's cheap.

Ross Machine Racing 410-510-3023 - Aluminum Fuel Rail Extrusion and Billet Intake Parts
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I was looking for some already machined. have seen some really nice billet ones on several cars here.
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I was talking about this to Chris Carroll the other day... I think that CMW used to make some, but they are sure proud of their stuff as IIRC, they were around $400 to $500 bucks for a set.... I think they were also -10 fittings... WAY too big for what we need... I will be going with -6 for my fuel system. I will be making some of my own, and thats why I asked in the 911 tech forum about the lengths of the stock 3.2L fuel rails...

I will probably buy the mill that Ross has for sale... although expensive for a tool you will only use a couple of times at best, it is the best way to do it....
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OK so the GSF then was the only place making the billet fuel rails?
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It was TWM who made (makes?) them, not CMW.

How much power are you after, and are you sure the stock rails won't get you there?

FWIW, point of reference: 930 3.3L, Carrera manifold & fuel rails, 6AN lines, 3.5bar FPR, 2x -044 fuel pumps (stock pumps were tired anyway). Easily supported 545rwhp on e85.
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ken i am going to use the stock carrera fuel rails which i had 10 an fittings welded to the ends. i am going new pumps and lines from tank back , using rocker panel space as my chase. raced many years with similar set up no probs. but then again i never wrecked
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i saw a post on here that looked like on e-85 the limit was around 600 hp with the stock fuel rails. My goal is somewhere north of that So i wanted plenty of room for growth. Already have an 044 pump in the front and the turbo pump in the back. was planning on increasing the size of the fuel lines and possibly making some gas tank changes. And yes I am making my own intercooler.
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i think you can go further than 600 on stock rails jmo
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I was talking about this to Chris Carroll the other day... I think that CMW used to make some, but they are sure proud of their stuff as IIRC, they were around $400 to $500 bucks for a set.... I think they were also -10 fittings... WAY too big for what we need... I will be going with -6 for my fuel system. I will be making some of my own, and thats why I asked in the 911 tech forum about the lengths of the stock 3.2L fuel rails...

I will probably buy the mill that Ross has for sale... although expensive for a tool you will only use a couple of times at best, it is the best way to do it....
The reason the billet fuel rails have -10 AN fittings is the bore size of the rail. Billet rails are made out of stock extrusions which have a large bore. the smallest AN fitting you can machine on a bore of that size is a -10
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The reason the billet fuel rails have -10 AN fittings is the bore size of the rail. Billet rails are made out of stock extrusions which have a large bore. the smallest AN fitting you can machine on a bore of that size is a -10
I understand why they have the -10 fitting on them... I was referring to the fact that for our engines, we dont need anything that large....

You can get a -8 or -6 extrusion for the same price as the -10 stuff.... If you look at the top of the injector, it is a very small opening.. now add 5 more injectors. A -6 bore size is plenty big to feed the amount of flow you would need. I have (6) ID1000 (100lb) injectors... I will probably have to sell those and go bigger in the future, as they will be the limiting factor on my fuel system... not the -6 size
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Larger fuel rails

Since the idea of oversize fuel rails comes up with some regularity, it got me wondering: how much power have we been able to make on the standard 3.2L Carrera fuel rails?

752.2whp / 692.5wtq on 109-octane VP Racing unleaded fuel

The rails had the standard metric fittings, and the small supply lines were replaced with larger 6AN lines with metric ends, a proper fuel "Y" block, and an Aeromotive regulator. Twin -044 fuel pumps, larger chassis lines.

Fuel pressure was datalogged against boost, and there was no decline in fuel pressure.


Another point of reference for those wanting to burn ethanol:
A beyond-GT2-spec 3.8L Twin Turbo with ITBs we built -- had similar size rails feeding ID2000 injectors and burning e98 "Ignite". The small rails and 6AN PTFE lines were not a limiting factor, and supported 800whp/680wtq.
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ken i think you will be fine with stock rails, and availability, price , and fitment are not an issue
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yeah ok looks like it. but they look so cool!! lol
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Stock ones don't look that bad when stripped, buffed out, and freshly yellow zinc plated. Even without buffing them to get the extra shine before plating, they still look good:

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Yeah i guess or chromed mine sits outside and actually gets driven even in the rain. all the zink or cadmium plated stuff looks like crap pretty quick.
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Yeah, didn't think a 3.2 fuel rail was a limiting factor. Glad Chris cleared that up.

Was thinking that possibly the crossovers were limiting but the rail itself seems hollow for huge volume.

One more thing that Porsche did right, right from the start that you don't have to worry about. Just about any other car, the fuel rails do become limiting factors once boosted.

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hey chris i didnt know carrera rails would fit on a ford
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That's not Ford blue, that's Mexico Blue!!! Blasphemy!
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My two cents:

Stock rails are fine. There are a few thoughts what can be a reason for replacing:

As volume of fuel pumped through increases, there are some benefits, not sure if measureable but in theory fuel pressure is more stable and temp can be lower.

As I have a lot to do in my profession with hydraulics, I always wonder, if there is no danger of cavitation at the stock design...

But the main reason is simply.... They look much nicer

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