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Added front oil cooler for summer heat.

Just temporary for the summer hot months.



Yes I have a screen.


AN 16 lines from BAT.
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Btw-No new holes drilled.
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That looks real good, nice installation. I'd definately leave it on year round, the thermostat will take care of everything in the winter.
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You don't like the way it looks or something? I'd leave it for sure.
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Did BAT sell you this as a kit with the lines already made up with the correct fittings/adapters and lengths?
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I like it and it is definitely functional. I may leave it on. Not sure if I will paint it or not. I just put a FG hood on that I had laying around on another 930 motor'd car waiting for a motor. I may leave it a little rough for a while since it's a driver.

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I just picked them out from BAT's catalog. I have an AN12 set of hoses for connecting a fender cooler to hard lines and was able to measure and compare side by side the differences between AN12 and the stock line. after looking at the stock id size I would not go less than AN16. I read some threads on what size to run and many said they are fine with AN12 and run AN12 on the track, but I like to keep it simple in that the factory put a specific size on these things and going smaller would seem counter intuitive.

I mocked up some heater hose to get an idea of the routing and made a best guess with 90 degree fittings. A 180 could be used, but this is what I was looking for and clears my tires and wheels just fine. I ordered 2' of AN16 hose and only used about a foot. Had I not ordered 2 feet Mr. Murphy would have indicated I would need 16"...lol. When in doubt get more.
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Here's another pic.
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Prrrreeeeettttycool!
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I wouldn't paint the oil cooler. I have a B&B oil cooler in the same place with a DP 935 front air damn.
I painted with satin black engine enamel years ago and after about a year it started peeling and flaking off the end tanks. Looks like crap now and someday I'll remove it, soak it in laquer thinner, and get all the remaining black paint off it.
Also, the paint acts as an insulator to a small degree reducing the amout of heat exchanging the cooler does.
If you black andized it that would be cool.

I have 1/4" mesh curved hardware cloth on mine for screen like alot of the old race cars used. Another good looking way to do it is take a plastic engine lid grill from an SC or Carrera and cut it down to fit the opening on your air damn. Then make some brackets to mount it there or attach it to the screen you have for the opening.
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You should notice a huge increase in cooling with this set up. As long as you are moving air across the cooler it drops temps down to 180 degrees or the thermostat set point pretty quickly.
If you ever track the car this is a must do.

Just make sure you mount it with rubber islolator mounts. Thermal stress and vibration will fatigue the aluminum cooler otherwise.

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I wonder if my thermostat is stuck open or something. I hear people complaining of excecive oil temps in these cars, yet I have to drive for like 30 min to get my oil temp over the first graduation. Is the thermostat in the engine or cooler?
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Perfect for a Summer track day on ... Oh, how about Saturday?

See you at H2R!

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Yes Jamie. I will see you there.

Funny sig. I can vouch for that. Can you draw me a picture to explain?
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I wonder if my thermostat is stuck open or something. I hear people complaining of excecive oil temps in these cars, yet I have to drive for like 30 min to get my oil temp over the first graduation. Is the thermostat in the engine or cooler?
Rear pass side fender well.

I upgraded the trombone oil cooler to the Carrera cooler and added a spal fan. It's under control now but I see 210* f temps when stuck in traffic after running on boost a bit.

I think my gauges off a little also, reading too high.
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Hey John-

You said you only used 1' of hose... did you have that 2-3' of black hose / gold ends already or something? And then you didn't use AN fittings into the cooler itself I see.

I'm picking up a FMOC and need to shop for hose, and was hoping you might provide some clarification as to what you meant so I know exactly WTF I need to source.

Can you (or anyone else who's BTDT) spell out for me how you disconnected the OE lines from the fender mount, tied into them, and ran to your cooler? What fittings (AN -16, but, elbows, etc.?) and how many did you need?

Also, any further detail or pics on your mounting points? You mentioned no new holes, I'd love to do the same.

Sorry for my confuzion, thanks in advance!
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Paul. Some pics of my set up

My Front Mount Oil Cooler Project - (lots of pics)

There's not going to be a "one size fits all" answer to your questions because what fittings and hoses you need will depend upon the oil cooler you end up with. For my set up, I probably used 4' or so of AN -16 hose. I purchased 2 AN -16 angle fittings (attached to cooler), one straight AN -16 fitting (goes to the factory hard line), and the 180 degree fitting. There is an adapter where the straight fitting attaches to the factory hardline (AN -16 to 30mm). Actually two of those adapters (the other between the 180 degree fitting and the 28 tube fender cooler).

I bought all those bits from Pegasus racing. Link to adapters https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=PLUMADAP30MM
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thanks Jake - yes, I've been surfing your install thread quite a bit 8-)

I just scored this 22" Setrab series 172 for $165 shipped, AN -12 fittings... pretty psyched:




Yes, I realize my question was loaded regarding fitment specificity... I meant more generally, as in what fittings to the OE lines and what rough length. 12-18-24" sounded short... your 48" makes more sense, and must be in total, 2' feed / 2' return.

Hopefully I can figure this out 8-)
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Paul,

Sorry about that. I just realized that what I had posted was not complete.

Yes, I already had the black hose. It came with the cooler. I inspected the hose and it was still in very good condition inside and out. I would order at least 8' if not 10' of hose to allow some room flexibility for routing. Jacob is correct. Unless you have exactly the set up I do, some needs will be different. This is a particularly large cooler. If I were ordering one I would have gone smaller for packaging purposes. I could not resist the deal I got on this set up. At some point I may go with a DS fender mount cooler so it looks more original. We'll see.

Do you have your cooler? If not I would remove the front facia and mock everything up using a box of similar dimension and use rope if you have to to mimic the routing of the hoses to give you an idea of the amount of hose you will need.

If you will notice, I could have directly plumbed this into my oil lines if I were not running a fender mounted cooler. This is how it was set up in the slantnose. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

I may be doing some work on the front this weekend and I will be removing the front facia. I can take some pictures at that time. IIRC I used existing holes and made some brackets to attach where the condensor would attach as I am not running any a/c. What's the point in this car anyway right. I was raised in AZ and live in humid TX. I can handle the heat, it's the cold that makes me whimper.

I will post some more pics if I get the bumper off this weekend.



Here is what I ordered from BAT.
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Paul,
Just saw your post. It should be cheaper for you with that cooler as you can avoid a couple 90* fittings and use less hose. That should be nice and good score. Make sure it is clean. If it came off a motor that had bearing issues I would recommend sending it to pacific for cleaning. I have utilized them and it's $125 flat rate to clean, check and pressure test it. I will use them again for sure.
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It looks great, I would def keep it on!
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