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1. If its a 3.6 then i would start from there..Great intercooler--if a 3.3 and some mods..it will take some really good convincing to myself.....And negotiating on the price...

2. Then I would go for the modded 930. Going to a track 996tt to stock 930, you will get bored.

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It is a 3.3. I passed on the car already but the guy has called a few times. I like the look of the 930's. Just a personal preference. But the 964 actually has a/c that works and the transmission is better. But I think I am a 930 guy at this point.
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The 964 Turbo for the same money is a better car overall. It might not be a funner car! If you are talking '92 or'93, 315hp stock. Performance is probably about the same. I think the added HP compensates for the added weight. More civil to drive as a car...ie..air conditioning that works and all of those things. The 5 speed tranny would be nice.

If you can get a '94 964 turbo, that is as good as it gets. I think that car is actually refered to as a 965 so that may not be what you are describing. If all of these are at a dealer, time to go test driving.

As speednme1 writes, The best part is the hunt....I would argue that the best part is owning it, but it is a fun debate. The beauty of a 930 as opposed to other toys in life is that the best part of owning it is not the day you bought it and the day you sold it!!

Remember, a 964 Turbo/965 Turbo, while a great car, mybe even a beter car, is NOT a 930! Food for thought.


edit....you popped in with the 964 3.3 description before I could post.
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Yes the 5speed is very tempting and already has minor mods....Hmmmm...It can only get better....)) What is the color of the 964 and the modded one....????

I would start neg. price for the 964...-INMOP...
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The 964 is black/black. Has adjustable boost, borla exhaust and 3.6 Speedline wheels. I spoke to the mechanic who maintains the car and he said the owner NEVER drives it. But, the owner is so meticulous he fixes things on the car that nobody would ever do. It is a private car. Problem is, the owner wants $65k and he is balking at $55k sale so I don't think it can be had for lower.

The 930 is Guards red. This car is an original owner car...

The difference here, the 964 is half hour away. The 930 is a flight (if I decide to fly).
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I was looking at the 964s as well. Drove one, didn't do it for me. Cannot really describe it. It seemed like it was trying to be a modern car, but when compared to today's cars it still seemed old. The 930 is raw and doesn't pretend to be anything but. But that is what I was looking for.

Is there a 930 close by? Would probably be helpful to drive both back to back.
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I have driven 930's but it has been a while. I figured the 964 would feel like a 993 which I have driven a bit as well. That is why I haven't really considered the 964 in the past. I like the feel of older cars (especially muscle cars but that is another problem of mine that need not be discussed) and the 930 just seems it would suit me. I just get a lot of people saying the differences are so small I am nuts not to go 964....
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Thats alot of coin for the 964 and stuck on his price......The 930 sounds more tempting now...Personally me, I would like a 5speed...Test drive the 930-- Once driven--u will know what to do....
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If it helps I have a 91 964(not turbo) and an 89 930. They are not similar in the least. The 964 is a very civilized car you can use everyday, whereas the 930 is a beast in a suit.
Also, seem if you have a 996T you already have a civilized car.
You should go for the moded 930 as it is completely opposed to what you already have.
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Anyone know where I can get a solid PPI in the Chicago area? I know the engine was built by Motor Works West....I have to call them once the seller gets in touch with me. He is just not a motivated seller which is driving me a bit nuts. I need an inventory list of all the parts and records he has that are coming with the car and he keeps saying tomorrow...I think they are all in a warehouse and he is just lazy. But once he gets his act together I want the PPI done.
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Modded 930.

These cars respond so well to mods. If you drive a stock engined car after having driven one that is properly modded, the stock one will leave you asking "where's the beef?"

My friend has an absolutely beautiful '86 930. His has upgraded suspension, wheels, and ridiculous "hand of god" Brembo GT brakes...motor is stock. We swapped cars once and I honestly could not believe the difference. His car felt like a naturally aspirated car next to mine. S'funny...when you make the mods incrementally yourself starting with a stock example, you sort of don't notice each little improvement. But when you jump in a stock car to compare, the difference is astounding.
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[QUOTE=jwasbury;7473342]Modded 930.

These cars respond so well to mods. If you drive a stock engined car after having driven one that is properly modded, the stock one will leave you asking "where's the beef?"

Agree, when new a stock one had adequate performance compared to the "others", but now a 75-100 hp bump is nice as they will still drive good once set up right.
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I think he is asking too much for the 964.....and depending on the model they have their issues as well. Your mechanic is obviously not a dedicated Porsche guy. You don't beat on a Porsche.....it is simply driven. My mechanic told me " you don't break Porsche's...you just find the weak parts. These cars are meant to be DRIVEN. So having said that, I would get the modded 930. Unless it has some bastard Honda stuff attached, Porsche enthusiast always love the mods and creativity. If it is not constantly smoking with oil smoke and the engine is not leaking all over, then chances are it has not been abused by someone who doesn't know about driving these cars.

Good luck with you choice, with either 930 you will be happy......much happier than if you bought the 964....IMHO
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Here's a picture of me "beating on" my Porsche 930 at the track.

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I've never had the pleasure of driving a 964 or 964 turbo so I can't offer any opinions on this one. All I can say is take your time and enjoy the search and test drives. All the Porsche's I've driven are fun to drive and just different. Some very different.

A pristine red with black interior totally origonal '59 speedster I drove straight through from somewhere around Charlotte N.C. down to West Palm Beach, Florida one evening into night around '88 or '89 was probably the most special of all.

I remember the passenger side windsheild wiper flew off around Jacksonville, Fl when a little rain sprinkle came up.. luckily it only rained for a couple minutes. and the oil cooler inside the fan housing made a sweet whirring whistle like sound somewhere around 3500 rpms as air was blowing through it.
That car was really sweet.
I had to bend forward and downward a little to see out the driver side window... Such a cool car.
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I vote stock.....then mod it yourself, only simple boltons.

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I vote stock.....then mod it yourself, only simple boltons.
I'd agree. Get a PPI-proven good example and drive it for a bit to shake it down and get used to these quirky and unique models. Then down the road its an exhaust, k27 turbo, adjustable control pressure regulator and intercooler for another 100HP. Its like the four food groups for a balanced diet... Maybe $7.5k if you DIY and cheaper if you troll the Used Parts forum and can wait to snipe good deals when they come up.
Oh and get the 930. They are the epicenter of what Porsche used to mean.
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Do your homework and get a healthy 78/79 "real" 930 and take it from there. Not many mods required to get lots of reliable fun.
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I've been fortunate to have owned a 94 3.6 turbo and currently own a 930. Two very different cars yet in a way similiar. The ac on the 965 does actually work....on the 930...not so much. Visually speaking both cars have their own look. The 965 is a much better car all around but the 930 is like a wild child...almost like that girl that looks like trouble but you still want to date(keeping it clean:-)) her. Don't get me wrong the 965 can bite back hard if you tease it. The 965 does have abs, power assisting steering, bigger wheels, coil overs, bigger brakes and among a few other thing. The 930 is a raw visceral beast. It's just awesome! Not for everyone....but a must for those who like things simple and mechanical.
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I've been fortunate to have owned a 94 3.6 turbo and currently own a 930. Two very different cars yet in a way similiar. The ac on the 965 does actually work....on the 930...not so much. Visually speaking both cars have their own look. The 965 is a much better car all around but the 930 is like a wild child...almost like that girl that looks like trouble but you still want to date(keeping it clean:-)) her
That is actually a very good analogy!
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