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What in the heck would there be to talk about in a keep it factory stock forum? "What car cover is best for long term storage?"

^^^^^^ bwahahahahahaaAaaa
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Old 01-18-2014, 06:47 PM
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What in the heck would there be to talk about in a keep it factory stock forum? "What car cover is best for long term storage?"
Don't forget "Who still has Stuttgart air in their tires" polls.
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I've never ever understood the "stock is best crowd". I've been in and out of PCA partly because of that. Back in again but basically because Panorama is worthy now. Do the q tip crowd drive these cars as they were intended?

May be just me but every single time I get the 930 out I exercise that waste gate and I can't imagine who wouldn't want to if they had that lonely stretch of virgin highway waiting to be exploited
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I enjoy this forum the way it is, with the mixed traffic of stock AND modded cars.
Now and again I glance at the Rennlist 930 forum and it seems really quiet.
I think we've got it right.

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I'm fine with the way it is. I am even fine seeing the shift in sentiment regarding valuations this forum has been in my estimation the group chiefly responsible for driving pricing for 930's down

it is all good now.
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Just a request. The time has come. This forum focuses too much on modifying. I believe there are those who favor keeping the cars as they were meant. Why don't we deserve a dedicated 930 forum? I know this will offend some but all this modifying is not true to originality. I know I will get flamed for this but the time has come. We need a dedicated 930 forum. We can still have a supercharging forum. But we need a 930 forum 75/89.
Don't worry about what others think...I give you credit just writing this.

We do however have a lot of people who are of the belief because they own a Porsche and a set of Snap-On tools, they are smarter than the guys who actually made the car... Pride always comes before the fall, and that's just not financial.

No wonder the real 930's are climbing through the roof in terms of value, probably because there are so few that just have not been left bone stock(highest resale value)
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We do however have a lot of people who are of the belief because they own a Porsche and a set of Snap-On tools, they are smarter than the guys who actually made the car... Pride always comes before the fall, and that's just not financial.
So says the Einstein with a turbo engine in a non-turbo 911 - pot & kettle comes to mind.
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This forum is excellent as is. The experience and knowledge is awesome. I love the blend of postings.
Please do nothing which will cause interest to cease. My car is standard apart from a K27 , exhaust and Adjustable WUR. Is this classed as modified or sweetened.

Thanks to all posters as I have had tremendous help from you guys.
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this sub forum is already low volume. i can't imagine how slow an original 930 forum would be without any interesting builds to liven it up. you've all got a common platform it makes sense to cross talk ideas from both corners.
if this offends the sensibilities of the OP then they can simply not click on any thread that doesn't relate to making the porsche crest on the stock wheels all point the same direction etc

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We do however have a lot of people who are of the belief because they own a Porsche and a set of Snap-On tools, they are smarter than the guys who actually made the car...
...and then we also have people who clearly don't know what they are talking about and make stupid statements like this^

So let's talk about secondary air injection, exhaust gas recirculation, thermal reactors, idle timing set at 10 degrees ATDC, half-finned cylinders, trombone oil cooler. These are all things that my '79 rolled off the assembly with. Absolutely none of the them can be described as "smart" from an engineering standpoint, in fact they are detrimentalto performance and longevity. Everything but the trombone cooler was a band-aid for emissions purposes, and robbed the car of performance, plus added heat to an engine package already near its thermal limits. Heat is the enemy of the air cooled Porsche engine. More heat = shorter engine life. Speaking of heat, how about that trombone oil cooler. Its woefully inadequate to control oil temps on the 930.

So...assuming you actually wish to drive your 930 the way it was "meant to be driven" is it "smart" to leave everything just as it came from the factory?
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if this offends the sensibilities of the OP then they can simply not click on any thread that doesn't relate to making the porsche crest on the stock wheels all point the same direction etc
There are modified cars, cars that are genuinely bone-stock and cars whose owners try to make look bone stock. Kinda like being brand-new, I maintain that, other than the most elementary of maintenance items, a car is only completely stock once.

All marques have their Nazis. I bought a rust-bucket `70 GTO 455 that I restored to a pretty high standard (particularly given that it was done 100% by me, in my garage, working on it late at night so as not to interfere with family time). Was always very popular at local shows - except for our resident GTO Nazi, well known in the GTO community on a national level - judging at national events etc. The first time I met him he was quick to point out all the things I'd done wrong on my car (which I built to my preferences and specifications). He bade me come with him to see his "National Award Winning `70 GTO" so he could show me how I should have restored it. I looked at his car and asked him whether the brand-new-looking stickers on the air cleaner and radiator shroud were original to the car. What about the chalk writing on the firewall that looked like some Detroit auto worker had just put there last week? Were these original to the car or had he put them there? He acknowledged he'd applied them (or more correctly, the restoration shop he'd paid $60K+ to build the car applied them). When asked, he also acknowledged the car had new floorboards, new lower rockers, new dash pad, new interior and, well, pretty much new everything that goes into a complete restoration.

"Ya know, however it might appear to the average guy visiting a car show, your car is as unoriginal as mine", I told him.

He never commented on my car again ...
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If this was strictly a date-coded, numbers-matching crowd, I wouldn't be here either. After 11 years of it now, sure I skip over the "new zork tube," and the "what oil", "what rim width" threads, but it's the home-brewed threads that I come back for because I always learn something.
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Perfectly worded! I drive mine as much as possible [6k last year] and when folks look at it [inside and out] everything brings them back to the 1980's or a poster they had on their wall in college... I love this forum because it helps me keep the beast on the road [for all to enjoy] and not under a cover for a few of my friends to see...

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I'd rather full colo-rectal exam than be subjected to an "originality" forum. Those posts are nauseating in and of themselves as it stands - let along a whole section's worth full.

>GASP<

I find that those who have DIY their t/c or s/c 911 are more technically oriented and also present creative solutions / alternatives to remedy things. I enjoy that perspective. (Note I said DIY their t/c, not one who wrote a check and had it installed... hmmmmmm. No use for hot air opinions coming from them).

I lol'd a bit @ the wheel crest pointing the right way. I once had a friend point that out on my car, and I wanted to heb!tch manslap him upside the head.

Q-tip crowd.... ha! Noooooooooooo thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks.

Further roflmao @ the R-List mentions. Sigh. That place is painful painful painful... no thanks / to each his own.

Lastly, totally agreed w/ Tim's 'sweetened' remark and Jakester's sentiments above. Exactly. Stock - honestly - kinda sorta pretty much blows.

So I shoulda kept my car stock to allegedly "preserve it's collector status"? Um, yeah. It's a 60k driver. BFD. Now it's 100000% better, more drivable, more awesomer. And when it comes to resale, buyers in the know will appreciate / value that.

anywho... my useless $0.00002
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I'd rather full colo-rectal exam than be subjected to an "originality" forum. Those posts are nauseating in and of themselves as it stands - let along a whole section's worth full.

>GASP<

I find that those who have DIY their t/c or s/c 911 are more technically oriented and also present creative solutions / alternatives to remedy things. I enjoy that perspective. (Note I said DIY their t/c, not one who wrote a check and had it installed... hmmmmmm. No use for hot air opinions coming from them).

I lol'd a bit @ the wheel crest pointing the right way. I once had a friend point that out on my car, and I wanted to heb!tch manslap him upside the head.

Q-tip crowd.... ha! Noooooooooooo thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks.

Further roflmao @ the R-List mentions. Sigh. That place is painful painful painful... no thanks / to each his own.

Lastly, totally agreed w/ Tim's 'sweetened' remark and Jakester's sentiments above. Exactly. Stock - honestly - kinda sorta pretty much blows.

So I shoulda kept my car stock to allegedly "preserve it's collector status"? Um, yeah. It's a 60k driver. BFD. Now it's 100000% better, more drivable, more awesomer. And when it comes to resale, buyers in the know will appreciate / value that.

anywho... my useless $0.00002

Pretty much nailed it
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I think this has turned into a vote on modified vs stock thread, instead of a keeping an original car original thread.

For instance, if your 6 pin CD box fails, how do you get it fixed? Being told "buy and MSD 6AL" is not really answering that question. There is a guy in the 911 forum that has the schematics for the 6 pin CD box, and knows how to fix them. That kind of stuff is what we are talking about. You put that on the current forum, and it gets zero views.

Also, a stock car doesn't mean it does not get driven, it just means that is driven stock.

I think a 930 forum would be great for all kind of issues, the automatic heater, the footwell blowers, replacements for bilstein shocks, how to get the rear trailing arm bearings out. All stuff that would be nice to gather in one forum. Seems it would help the host too, since they sell mainly stock parts.

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Just a request. The time has come. This forum focuses too much on modifying. I believe there are those who favor keeping the cars as they were meant. Why don't we deserve a dedicated 930 forum? I know this will offend some but all this modifying is not true to originality. I know I will get flamed for this but the time has come. We need a dedicated 930 forum. We can still have a supercharging forum. But we need a 930 forum 75/89.
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No, I don't think it's turned into that at all.

and

I'm not seeing how the issues you use as example above are not in place and answered / addressed / welcomed here in this forum as exists? How would being 930-specific change that?

Are we viewing the same forum? 8-)

Kinda 1/2 kidding here (kinda)... but R-List already serves the show'nshiner keep it original crowd... who may be / seem to be somehow offended by the mixture of the t/c & s/c element.

No offense or anything...
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rennlist turbo forum is like that mostly stock and garage queens. I'm over here because i like to do more than wax my car and look at it.
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don't limit it to just the turbo forum there 8-)
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