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Motorsports and present/future 'value' of our cars.

It would appear by the end of this decade, "progress" is being made in the form of saving the disinterested/disengaged and those who have little or no ability behind the wheel.

I'm speaking of the car that drives itself. Fast forward to say, 2025, and there is no need for a driver anymore. So what will happen to automotive racing? Will fans flock to the Daytona 500 or 24 hours of Le Mans to see vehicles which drive themselves?

What need will a public have in the future for any pre-2020 car when there ability to 'drive' a car will simply disappear as a function of time. Will our cars just become museum pieces or garage queens when there is no one left to drive them(and who will buy them if they can't drive them)?

The best saddle makers...blacksmiths...and horsemen became dinosaurs when the automobile came to town. It didn't happen overnight, but it did happen. Just as sure as the best slide-rule maker became obsolete overnight with the introduction of the pocket calculator, the winds of change are blowing our way.
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I want my click back...
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Holy sh@t, too funny (and so do I)!

But I suppose we all need to un-mod our cars (and that means you too, Tilikum - get that turbo engine, and any of the other non-original bits, out of there as they have a negative financial impact on your car) and sell them before time runs out!

Tilikum must own a set of Snap-on tools.

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Holy sh@t, too funny (and so do I)!

But I suppose we all need to un-mod our cars (and that means you too, Tilikum - get that turbo engine, and any of the other non-original bits, out of there as they have a negative financial impact on your car) and sell them before time runs out!

Tilikum must own a set of Snap-on tools.

As a matter of fact, I DO own some snap on tools.

I also have a scalpel and some forceps...but I lay no claim to being a Doctor, or giving
valid medical advice.
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1-800-Call-MOM ?
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That made me giggle, and then laugh.
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At least you could have posted a warning...

Ok, seriously to the OP, cause I'm felling like an ass, did you ever know of a generation who lusted after posters of slide rules on their walls. Compare any of these old gals to a new one, so many technical advances, why would you even own an old one... To that end you've answered your own question.
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Just took a ride in a Tesla Model S an hour ago. Not my kinda thing, but probably the future.

I do respect the torque, though.
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I have to ask in this thread since the title made me wonder - why are there so many threads regarding the value of the 930?? I honestly don't get it.... I bought my car to enjoy it and drive it; not to sit around and ponder it's value. - Not trying to flame or start an argument, just wondering why 930 value seems to be such a hot topic? Enjoy the damn car and stop worrying about it's value so much!
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Damn, why did I ever buy this car?! It will just end up in a landfill with all the other non-self drivers by the end of the decade...unless I continue to be one of the rare breed that knows how to drive and can continue to do so until the day I die. THAT's why I bought it.

I bet there's a 99 cent slide rule app for your iPhone. I remember my first TI calculator back in college; it had the added function of doing square roots and cost only $75
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So to be clear, I have no intention of getting rid of my cars any time soon. And even when there are driverless cars, I will have undoubtedly cars that I operate myself until my dying day (even if I also own a driverless car to use sometimes).

But I think there is indeed an interesting, legitimate question about if/how future generations will consider cars as collectibles or have enthusiasm for motorsports. It's not just the potential advent of driverless cars which could turn motoring into a utility rather than an experience or a hobby. If you look at kids / teens today, anecdotally fewer seem to have car posters on their wall than when I was a kid... they save their chore money to buy the latest iPhone or iPad, not to buy their first car. If you look at people in their early 20s today, many who have the financial means to own cars choose not to and instead rely on Zipcar or Uber or whatever (e.g. cars are a utility to them, not a pleasure or a status symbol).

I'm not saying racing or car collecting or other forms of car ownership for fun (rather than daily transportation) will go away. But I think it's an open question whether a large swath of people will view cars as desirable objects to drive and own in the future. There are still folks who own horses as a pastime today, but nobody rides them daily anymore and a much smaller percentage of people today consider owning one than 100 years ago.
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Statistics will be invented to prove self driving cars are safer than those driven by humans. Once that happens, insurance and registration rates will go up for human driven cars, which will make it unappealing for anyone to want to afford to drive a car.

Maybe we will be able to track them (off road use).

I can see it happening. This country is all about growing people who are afraid of everything.
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Statistics will be invented to prove self driving cars are safer than those driven by humans. Once that happens, insurance and registration rates will go up for human driven cars, which will make it unappealing for anyone to want to afford to drive a car.

Maybe we will be able to track them (off road use).

I can see it happening. This country is all about growing people who are afraid of everything.
So there IS hope that someday I will be able to still be a real driver, with real racing gloves and all, boostin' in my 930 but, all the other uninsured gidiots out there with me will be in robots that will never ever be able to hit me?
This is where we are headed? Awesome!

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that's a good way to look at it! there is that hope.
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