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how to remove OE spacers?

In my infinite brilliance, the sun never sets in my world...

How the heck do you get the rear spacers off? No bolts.

OK. Few firm whacks w/ rubber mallet.

Nothing.

Few firm whacks w/ a 5lb sledge. Nothing... except little dents on the top of the spacer now.

Awesome.

Things shouldn't be this hard... frustrating. Tonight wasn't my night. Busted side mirror glass ASSuming they just popped out of the flags ala all my Audi's. Nope. Should have read here first. And no comment on the wiring screw job they present to remove them. WTF!

Anywho, any insight how to remove the rear spacers appreciated. Might as well hand-hold me thru the fronts whilst at it - I haven't looked at / tried them yet but can already see / know that'll be 5kicks in the danuts as is everything else in my world. Pretty sure I saw some nuts securing those...
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Hmm. I'm no help. I just slid them right off. There's nothing holding them on.
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The rears should slide right off, a later car shouldn't have them in the front.
Perhaps somebody used some kind of sealer to install them, a pic maybe?
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My car is an '86 and the rear spacers slid right off the studs. Don't know what to tell you because they don't have any holes drilled to screw them into the rotor like on later cars like 996's.

Can you take a picture of the spacers? Maybe they aren't the original spacer?

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Paulito, perhaps this spacer delima is the car's way of b*tch-slapping you for the recent blasphemous acts that you have perpetuated against it?
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and you gave me crap about my first oil change??? J/K

sometimes there is corrosion holding them, or the long studs are slightly bending outwards keeping them from sliding off. keep on with the rubber, they'll break loose...
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The spacers may have fused to the hub from the environment. Just spray with some penetrant and let it sit, then tap in a thin blade screwdriver or even a gasket scraper/putty knife to break the seal.
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The rear spacers on my '79 can be pretty snug, and difficult to remove. There are flanges that protrude from the hub center that the spacer press fits onto. You can see them in these photos...the three tabs that surround the castle nut. I've used a 3 arm puller tool to remove the spacer, and my recently acquired dent puller/slide hammer tool would also work well for this application.


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The rear face of the spacer is a good area toapply some anti seize once you do get it apart.
Mine are off and in storage due to some 17" rims I am running, but as I recall the nylon hammer was helpful on one side. Warming them up might reduce the impact necessary to dislodge the electrolysis schmutz that has "welded" them on.
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and you gave me crap about my first oil change??? J/K...
Now you see how / why I feel like such a colossally incompetent toolbag here compared to the likes of most of the folks who exude total profound awesomeness and remove & rebuild their engines, make their own parts, etc... all the while Paulie can't remove a simple non-affixed spacer.

argh!

I rule, never forget that.

F'n things are definitely seized on. They mocked me and my sledge and my puny girlymon feeble attempts.

I'll spray them and try a torch I guess. Just wanted to ensure my typical knee-jerk reaction of 'get a bigger hammer' wasn't barkin up the wrong tree.

Have to see if I can borrow a nylon mallet, only have rubber or sledge here and would prefer not to further peen the spacer.

Oy.

Thanks for the responses. Nothing ever (ever) is simple for me... I'm used to it at least.
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Paul, I have tackled this problem numerous times with client's cars and the Gray Ghost which hadn't had a wheel off sense the Carter administration.
I use a very thin plastic handle steel paint scraper.
Find the crack (can you still do that at your age?) between the spacer and hub and tap the scraper with a hammer. Go around the hub until the seal pops loose. Once it pops switch tools from the scraper to a flat head screw driver. Repeat going all the way around the hub. There will be corrosion on the studs so you will have to do the back and forth until it comes all the way aff the studs. At this point use the largest flathead screwdriver you have so it acts as a pry bar. Once off you can clean all the corrosion off and use anti-sieze on the stud base threads.
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thanks for that insight Brian, it's encouraging to hear I'm not alone in my experiences

managed to find the crack first go this morning... will head out to garage and try the spacer now 8-)
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The rears should slide right off, a later car shouldn't have them in the front.
Perhaps somebody used some kind of sealer to install them, a pic maybe?
Chris,

my '87 has star shaped spacers bolted to the front hubs from running my OE Fuchs
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Mount Paulie! (Old "Cheers" call out)
My intake manifold was a similar battle- it was corroded onto a few of the long studs so well I swore there must be one more nut or bolt somewhere. It was an ordeal to get it off, and like Brian mentioned it didn't just give up after that first pop. I had to whack and pry it up the whole way. There was no way that thing was coming off had the engine still been in the car. It was a process even on the engine stand. I hit the studs and the manifold bores with some wire brushes to get the white corrosion before the reassembly with anti seize.
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thanks Ken

Maybe folks don't share their kicks in the nutes stories as much as I do, skewing the forum with their awesome tales of win 8-).

I definitely seem to possess a particularly particular Fecal Touch... yeah. Yay me.
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I would try the penetrating oil, prolly just corrosion.
My 87 slant 7/87 production did not have front spacers, perhaps yours were added?
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They appear to be factory spacers, 2/87 build - perhaps yours were removed? 8-)

Robbing Roland's pic he just posted as it beats the heck out of the craptastic cellshot I was just about to post of mine:



they've got nuts holding them on, deep within the recesses of each 'spoke' of the star

got it back up on stands w/ everything soaking now
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Paul, there are no spacers on the front. The nuts you can see in the recesses are holding the disc onto the back of the hub. The aluminium part is the hub, not a spacer.
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Oh, thanks for the clarification Bill - sure look like spacers to me 8-/. I'm not that smaht tho...
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