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WOW Mark, that's really something about the garage door opener, and like you said, I just don't see how that was the cause (though anything is possible, right)? Didn't Jim throw that possibility out there some time back?

Pauli-Anna, now that is really fu*ked up that you float the Brian B. morsel and don't share the details?!
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Just something I found about a garage door opener fire.A GARAGE DOOR OPENER

A man drove his car back home into the garage using the automatic garage door opener for both opening and closing the garage door. He then went to the house. A fire in the garage was discovered about 40 minutes later. The roof of the garage was completely destroyed and the walls were also burned completely except for the first foot or so close to the ground. The char pattern on the remaining of the walls was almost uniform over the whole perimeter of the garage. Similarly, the car was destroyed to leave only distorted steel. When the fire was discovered, the detached garage was fully involved.

From the above evidence a fire investigator concluded that the fire started in the center of the garage because of the uniform char pattern. That would seem to be a weak argument since one has always a uniform char pattern when almost everything is burned. Since the lower parts of the wall were not completely burned, he further concluded that this was a "high fire" and it must have started at the ceiling level. Again, that evidence is very weak since most fires that last for some time do more damages at the higher levels than at the floor level. This is so even if the fire starts on the floor. The garage had a concrete slab on ground.

In his report, the fire investigator, using the above arguments, concluded that the only possible cause for the fire was an electrical malfunction of the garage door opener. He was prudent enough however not to be specific on the failing process or the part that failed. The manufacturer of the garage door opener was sued. In his report, the fire investigator neglected to address many points such as that of the motor that was thermally protected. Had the motor been stalled for any reason, a fuse would have blown quickly and the thermal protection would have opened.

There was no obvious causes for this fire although there were quite a few possibilities besides the door opener such as the lights on the ceiling and the electrical wiring in the garage. The car could also have started the fire for numerous reasons. Furthermore, the driver was a heavy smoker; a dropped cigarette is then a further possibility. In this case, with the evidence available one should have refrained from giving a probable cause since all causes were about equally probable although, the most likely cause is smoking materials. The driver denied that he had smoked; however, a passenger that was dropped off about one minute before the car was parked in the garage was sure that the driver was smoking at the time of the drop off.
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nothing concrete to share yet, Ronnitis... will when

got all the PM's, haven't counted but we're over 3grand of commitments

Mark's patiently answered all my pestering Q's so I can fill in some blanks regarding the big-picture, as well as his conditions (selflessly sensible, as expected).

I'll aim to string things together by weeks' end...
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Im in!!!!

Having things go bad like this really suck, but its nice to know there are lots of nice folks out there willing to step up and help out!!! Good on you Pelicans out there!!!

Hope things get better from here!
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WOW Mark, that's really something about the garage door opener, and like you said, I just don't see how that was the cause (though anything is possible, right)? Didn't Jim throw that possibility out there some time back?

Pauli-Anna, now that is really fu*ked up that you float the Brian B. morsel and don't share the details?!
Yeah, garage door opener motor was my first thought because Mark said he was gone for only 20 minutes and that fire looked like it was going at least 20 minutes, and if he went out through the garage door and used a remote to close it like most people with garages that could do it. Especially if the garage door opener motor, thermal protection shut off sensor and controller, and micro or motion switch that shuts off the motor when the door is open or closed all the way was made in China like most consumer electronics from places like Home Depot over the last 10-30 years... by the lowest bidder.
Along with that how many people clean and lube their electric garage door opener motors or do any kind of maintenance on it.
I don't have a garage. I live in a small 3 room apartment with a driveway.

I think a good lesson from this is keep the comprehensive coverage active on your car when it's off the road in temporary winter storage. You can cancel the collision, property and personal injury coverage during the winter months but keep the comp active.

Comprehensive covers any damage or theft that might happen to the car while it's parked. Not sure about flooding if you live in a flood prone area, that might be extra.
If you have multiple cars on one auto insurance policy then comp with $500 deductable is usually cheap depending on the actual or agreed replacement value.

You could also install an active fire sprinkler system in your garage in case of fire. Not a bad idea if you keep a cheap trickle charger/battery maintainer on your cars battery.
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If it was indeed the garage door opener, there may be a way to re-coupe costs of damage. We use a firm called Case Forensics that can examine & determine (if there is anything left) possible defects. If a defect is found..... oh the possibilities!
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I'm in for $100 just tell me how and when, so sorry to see this Mark, take care.
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Just became aware of this today. While I haven't been active for a while, this list and its members have been good to me for certain.

Pauly-boy... when this gets organized, drop me a line... I'm in too.

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Im in..Mark was the first to respond on my problems with my turbo. Sorry Mark, glad everyone is ok.
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Horrible.....just horrible.
Count me in for the c note if it gets to that. Mark is one of the good guys.

With respect to the cause....we had a warehouse burn down which contained many small pieces of construction equipment. Arson investigator said the cause was a battery shorting out on an engine driven welder that hadn't run in twenty years. OhhhKkkkk
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Campaign's been drafted and submitted to Mark for his review / approval. He returned to work today for first time and is enjoying the psychological escape from the bs, and will hopefully get back to me this evening.

As soon as he green-light's it, it will go live and I will make a new thread here with a link to the endeavor and Mr. ShadetreeMod will stickify it.

My PM box is blowin UP!

We're definitely >$4k... once this hits here and the 911 forum, and we all start linking it to our various sources and whatnot - this is gonna take OFF like wildfi...... um er uh.........

DaveyJD... dewd, sorry I'd not mentioned this in all our other emails lately... thought you were still 'on here' - d'oh, my bad. Good to see you've returned at least. Whattaya have a life or something? I'll ping you offline once this is live in case yer back off-gridlike...
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Mark's 930-a-thon! *please read / please HELP*

Let 'em rip fukkaz, open the flood gates and let's Git 'r dun!
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My State Farm agent told me this many years ago. I asked her in the context of keeping an expensive vintage race car in the garage. She couldn't think of a way to cover it in the event of a fire.

Something to think about for anyone with a dedicated track car.
I remember discussing the situation with my State Farm Insurance rep a few years ago. Then I was out of the coutry for months at a time and and put my car insurance on hibernation. State Farm let me do that. But I was concerned what would happen in case of fire or theft. My insurance agent told me the car could be covered even in hibernation if the car is "on blocks" and the cost would be minimal.
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Hey Paul,, what about having it moved to the regular 911 section MUCH higher traffic
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Hey Todd... I cross posted it there simultaneous to here, but haven't yet reached out to Wayne to stickify it there.

However, last I'd seen it'd had >180 views... zero replies. I sure find that odd / sad. So, dunno if it should be a sticky there now? Thoughts?

(even got one PM saying to live w/ one's mistakes - incredulous. Sure made note of who not to help when (not if) life goes and kicks HIM in the nuts. Geesh.)

$2700 so far! Gathering some good momentum men...
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Paul,

I don't know if Marc is active in his regional PCA chapter, but that might be a good source of contributions.

Just a thought. Wonderful effort regardless.

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Hey Will-

Good idea - I did ask, he's on again / off again (like me/many)... but still a good resource that will be pursued...
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So sorry to hear that. This is the time when the community should stand together and take care of each other.

I am in with no questions asked. Payment will go out tomorrow.

Glad Mark and family is OK
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