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Hagerty report is out

Looks promising again. A nice healthy rise. Not too steep. But that's a good thing.

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Good stuff!
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I'm so torn about the rise in values. Everybody likes going up in value as opposed to down, but it makes me more hesitant about track days and leaving the car on the street. I would also like to pick up more 911s, but at the current rate, it makes it challenging. I always assumed I'd pick up another longhood, but at their current values, I run into the same questions as I do with the 930.
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And early 3.0-liters:

Hagerty Price Guide: 1976 930 Turbo
Hagerty Price Guide: 1977 930 Turbo
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Good for you guys but it looks like they are smoking something on the 965 values:
1991 Turbo $42,000 average value
1994 Turbo $32,700 average value

The '94 values are in low earth orbit. Rough examples are selling in the mid-$80's and clean, low mileage cars are $150-200K.
'91-'93 cars are in the $70-100k range.
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Yah, I have mixed feelings as well. I always felt like these cars were under valued.
But, it's getting to the point where modifying and driving my car is less than intelligent.
Oh well, no one ever accused me of being a genius. If I were smart I'd bring it back to stock. How boring would that be though.
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Yes, Haggerty pricing is based on what their collector customers have recently paid for their cars. The newer Turbos are in the price range you state however most are probably bought by non collectors so all the other insurance companies are getting that business.
Debatable is to which reflects reality. It's my opinion that most cars are level one or low 2 if nothing else because their engine, the heart of any Porsche, is level1. Especially when TURBOs are the consideration. Lets be real, a babied a low miles 930 can have broken studs, hard seals, defective valve guides, frozen wastegate and collapsed tensioners from just sitting around. Certainly, even a 30,000 miles TURBO will need at least one, typical more, of what I listed. Now you are talking $8k-10k.
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Yes, Haggerty pricing is based on what their collector customers have recently paid for their cars. The newer Turbos are in the price range you state however most are probably bought by non collectors so all the other insurance companies are getting that business.
Debatable is to which reflects reality. It's my opinion that most cars are level one or low 2 if nothing else because their engine, the heart of any Porsche, is level1. Especially when TURBOs are the consideration. Lets be real, a babied a low miles 930 can have broken studs, hard seals, defective valve guides, frozen wastegate and collapsed tensioners from just sitting around. Certainly, even a 30,000 miles TURBO will need at least one, typical more, of what I listed. Now you are talking $8k-10k.
Those are valid, realistic points. Haggerty is going to base these on what their high level collector customers paid, so that in turn those customers won't balk at paying $1500+/year for their insurance. But I think you meant Level 4 or a low Level 3 - level 4 being considered "fair", per Haggerty's descriptions.

I would have rated my '87 as a low Level 2 solely because it had around 115,000miles on it and never an engine rebuild, with emissions and AC stuff off and in a box. The rest of her was in very good condition structurally and visually. That would put it somewhere in the mid-60K range according to Haggerty. Then, to make it real for "regular people/non-collectors" I would drop 10K off that price and say it was worth maybe 55K. Even that seems high considering what I bought it for, but the value has indeed been skyrocketing so who knows? My logic probably doesn't hold any water, though, and besides it's a moot point.
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Good for you guys but it looks like they are smoking something on the 965 values:
1991 Turbo $42,000 average value
1994 Turbo $32,700 average value

The '94 values are in low earth orbit. Rough examples are selling in the mid-$80's and clean, low mileage cars are $150-200K.
'91-'93 cars are in the $70-100k range.
They tend to not get enough info for some models. Look at 89 Turbos. Coupe nearly twice the Cab or targa. I'd prefer the coupe also but @ twice the price?
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Another of their primary data sources is auctions and I don't recall a 94 Turbo being at auction. They can't track private party sales well.

In fact, I also just checked Sports Car Market's auction database and the only public auction data point for the 965 is a 1993 3.6 Turbo sold for $44,976 in November 2005.
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