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Remember ROW cars are not trusted on mileage, the Kilometers to Miles has always been fudged, plus other issues.....my 1978 and the 1979 models are rare because they have 3.3 engines, bigger brakes, intercooler and last but not least pass all US emissions even California WITHOUT a catalytic convertor....from 1986-89 they must conform to stricter CA emissions. That's why the 930 left the USA in 1980, could not meet 50 state emissions..
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That color with the wrong engine, 70k to 80k. With correct engine 125k in the current state. In show car condition 150k. If this was a ROW car I think you could sell it for a song overseas.
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Remember ROW cars are not trusted on mileage, the Kilometers to Miles has always been fudged, plus other issues.....my 1978 and the 1979 models are rare because they have 3.3 engines, bigger brakes, intercooler and last but not least pass all US emissions even California WITHOUT a catalytic convertor....from 1986-89 they must conform to stricter CA emissions. That's why the 930 left the USA in 1980, could not meet 50 state emissions..
The current market is not obsessive about ROW vs. US..........but if anything, ROW cars are slightly favoured in 3.0 as well as 3.3, in Europe as well as the US.

The 78 930 is viewed as a part of the 3.3 family, rather than a limited production car within its own model year.
The 78 930 is not so distinctively different from from later 930`s, as is the case with 75-77 cars.
Floating rotors (and the emmisions issue in the US) make 78`s + 79`s attractive among the 3.3`s though.
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I never understood, the 3.0 turbos, I drove them both, the 3.0 will scare the hell out of you, not the turbo, the brakes.....I know about early, but in the turbo world it's harder to explain then just say older models...
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back to the OP's question, i'm thinking 90k.
Recently one ( standard black color) with a similar rebuild needed, sold on ebay, for around 66K with more original stuff present. So i'd say color is not for everyone, sooo $60K plus the $100 K it will need is a reasonable price, unless I'm way to low on the finished price of a restored car vs a pristine original, which should be worth more than a restored one ( by some methods of value)
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I never understood, the 3.0 turbos, I drove them both, the 3.0 will scare the hell out of you, not the turbo, the brakes...
I donīt think they are particularly scary in todays world (among +300HP Hot Hatches) and I find the brakes quite sufficient for street use.

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...I know about early, but in the turbo world it's harder to explain then just say older models...
Not really....distinctive, rare, closely related to the legendary 934 and 935 turbo racers.
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Photo of a green well taken care of 77 930 with 63K miles that is original, except for a B & B free flow exhaust, ( more gas mileage for those who care, plus more hp, lower engine temps and a better sound as other bonuses) to compare. That other one will need lots of expensive stuff up top and underneath to make it nice, so $60 - $70K tops realistically, in this new price world.
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Thanks for the opinion of the Car.

I bought it with the intention to make a full restoration,but now have the Beast and will take care of this.
The Body is Bone dry and straight.

Here are some more Pics from the undercarrige.

At the Engine is nothing missing, also it wasnt in a flood.




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PTC you said you have 2 cars. what is the other 77 930 you have?
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Recently one ( standard black color) with a similar rebuild needed, sold on ebay, for around 66K with more original stuff present. So i'd say color is not for everyone, sooo $60K plus the $100 K it will need is a reasonable price, unless I'm way to low on the finished price of a restored car vs a pristine original, which should be worth more than a restored one ( by some methods of value)
Tony, I remember the grey 76 or 77 (can't remeber the year 3.0) i looked at for you 3-4 years ago in North Carolina for sale. it needed some work but was a pretty decent solid car. if i recall he wanted $28-30k? shows you how times have changed. he also had a very nice viper greeen 3.0 and some other 930s.
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PTC you said you have 2 cars. what is the other 77 930 you have?
its a 77 ROW in orange
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Wow, glad I have my totally original green 1987, just trying to get about 75k. I agree that the wrong engine is the big deal breaker on value. Go test the market...put it up for sale on Evil Bay..
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That color with the wrong engine, 70k to 80k. With correct engine 125k in the current state. In show car condition 150k. If this was a ROW car I think you could sell it for a song overseas.
ah, all yer tribulations result in an intelligibly reasonable assessment

refreshing

er... you do know tho... 'a song' refers to buying @ a cheap price

so

he should sell this "at a song" overseas then eh?



(buy hi! / sell low!)

despite my ^fewlishness^, hope this insight has helped the OP

Seems prudent to spend a few minutes / shekels to sort and right a handful of key areas and then Bob's his Uncle for the most part.

There's a really decent / solid car in there somewhere, won't take much to get 85% out of it IMO which @ these stakes is pretty thick dough.

EDIT: just noted in the pics... front FP dangling by strapping / overspray on spring plate arms / oil lines area - again... further examples of what a little love will remedy, time / effort / ching well spent

GLWS - always did reaaaaaaaaally dig that color - some reason the disco era shades on these really strike wondrous chords w/ me... I have issues tho (ask Ronnie)
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"long suffering"... from OEMness, ferrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsure

yeah brutha - I should toooootally "leave these [TECHNICAL] forums alone"

or

heynow!

should the non-technical poster spouting all the valuation gibberish heed such?

things that makeya go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

yeah.



EDIT: hahahahaa, went to snag a quote from your ohso witty reply only to find you've been bahleeted - ha / d'oh.

again... Technical Forum sir... say it with me... Technical.
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Im so confused on the delicate sensibilities of the car collector.

Could a different and correct serial number on the engine case really be worth 30+ k for this car? How on earth was that ebay basket case "green" 930 worth 60 k, if this is only worth similar money. Viper green is about as desirable of a color as you can get I think.
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Do you guys really know somebody that has sold his/hers 930 for $80K ~ 100K? I believe there is a lot of wishful thinking here.
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Much wishful thinking, you are correct, for some reasons most of the cars Tony post are dealers who want the stars....do they get it? Who knows?

Back to original engines, yes the original engine is that important for a serious collector at those values...Same with long hood cars, Corvettes, etc...now if you want just a 930 below values, then yes look at savaged cars, damaged, or heavily modifitied...
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we've covered this ladies... someone is trying to pad the market as he lists his car FS

pretty sad

still LMAO @ the "Recent Asking Prices" bit... troof.

Here's a fun "Recent" thread tho!: Notable Recent 930 modification projects
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As you all can see by the production chart there were less 1978 930s built than either year 1976 or 1977 930s. So if many think that rarity is a factor, well the 1978 for the less numbers built along with the first year for intercooler, better brakes etc, etc.

Actually there were 103 fewer 1976 930 produced than the 1978 930. Several mistakes exist in the above photo regarding 930 production numbers. First, for 1976 the USA total production was 520, not 530 as reported (first ten weren't built and they accidentally forgot to subtract from that line). Second, the chassis range for the 1976 RoW 930 actually ended at 0644, not the 0664 mistake in the above photo. And third, 31 of the RoW 930 chassis numbers in 1976 were actually built as 934 (including 30 originally and then the factory built one more later as a 934). These were never 930 first.

So the total production is:

1975: 274 RoW = 274
1976: 520 USA + 603 RoW = 1,123
1977: 717 USA + 685 RoW = 1,402
1978: 451 USA + 725 RoW + 50 Japan = 1,226
1979: 1190 USA + 809 RoW + 22 Japan = 2,021

In total 2,799 3.0-liter between 1975-1977 vs 3,247 3.3-liter just during 1978-1979.
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