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Re Question about Torque on Euro

The smallest Euro engines start at 500NM
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Re Question about Torque on Euro

The smallest Euro engines start at 500NM
No way Jose...500 NM is 'slightly' optimistic.

75-77 930 Euro 3,0L ...343 NM of torque

84-89 930 Euro 3.3L ...432 NM of torque
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Where do you source your fuel to run a euro-spec 930 since 91 Octane gasoline won't work(on a truly spec'ed 930 euro-motor)?
your fuel isn't any different
the way you yanks read octane is different to everyone else, the octane content is the same (like how you persist with feetsies and yards and miles and whatever other imperialistic measurements)
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Sorry but US cars are the least desirable on the world market

And thats a fact im sorry to say
I beg to differ. The least desirable ones are those rust-buckets that are all too common in the UK. The best ones are here in California. They're usually in the best condition and there are plenty of them, so we don't have to overpay like you chumps across the pond.

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All 3.3L Euro engines were rated at 300HP. The US engines in 1978 (3.3L) were rated at 265HP and increased to 282HP by 1989. They never did match the Euro's 300HP.
The Euro was lighter, less compicated, and more powerful. In the US they are considered less desirable due to Smog/DOT/registration issues. Grey market cars imported after living in Europe first are considered less desirable due to shoddy DOT conversions/paperwork and exposure to salt/rust while in Europe.
I have owned 3 Euro turbos and love them. They run fine on junk gas if tuned conservatively. The engines are more responsive than their US counterparts and less complicated to work on. Cars imported to the south and west coast are rust free and very desirable as such. Same goes for US 930's if they have lived in the south or west. Both are great cars if they have lived in a good environment and have been taken care of.
All that said, in today's nutty 930 market bolt-ons are great but I wouldn't be adding side marker lights or drilling and filling bumper holes.
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All 3.3L The Euro was lighter, less compicated, and more powerful.

The engines are more responsive than their US counterparts and less complicated to work on.
How is a RoW 930 less complicated than a U.S. version? Iíve seen weight comparisons many times but no one ever explains how much lighter RoW 930ís are compared to U.S. versions based on the factory Porsche spec manuals. Additionally, why is there always a comparison of stock U.S. 930ís to Euro cars when most U.S. 930ís have modified exhaust and disconnected air pumps (who still runs thermal reactors on their í76-79 930ís)? After you get past the U.S. exhaust and smog there are only a few cosmetic differences that set U.S. and RoW 930ís apart (headlights, bumpers, taillights, radios, unverified RoW mileage, etc.).
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Thermol reactors were only on the USA '78/9 cars, '86-'89 had Euro heat exchangers and still did not make it to 300HP. The USA engines were a junk yard of smog garbage and power robbers making them more difficult to service. Only the basic long block was the same in both Euro and US versions.
As for weight you need only take apart a door and you will begin to see the DOT differences. A fully Federalized Euro was a significant conversion.
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Iíve seen weight comparisons many times but no one ever explains how much lighter RoW 930ís are compared to U.S. versions based on the factory Porsche spec manuals.
if it's kerb weight they use, the difference lies between the steering wheel and the seat...!

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if it's kerb weight they use, the difference lies between the steering wheel and the seat...!

Good one...the same reason they modified the ultimate Recaro sport seats and made them wider after 1980

It is odd how the spec books rate the DIN weight the same for RoW and U.S. 930s. The U.S. versions should be heavier with the smog, door bars and wider bumpers.
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When I stripped down my '78 CA 930/63 engine years ago I weighed the smog equipment including exhaust. 120 pounds of crap. The '81 Euro exhaust was also heavy at 90 pounds. Later models had catalytic converters as well so even more heavy.
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Dont forget about the humongous black rubber shock absorbers on the back of US cars they must weigh 100kg whats the deal with them? is that because there were more accidents in the US? so they were made with more protection?, My view is that they really spoil the look of the Normal Euro Turbo Body, they stand out too much and they sit too close together,.
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