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test drive request 86-88 Turbo

Bit of an odd request, but I'm looking to test drive a 911 turbo in normal city and a little freeway driving. Perhaps 15-20 minutes, to get a real feel for how the motor and engine respond. The reason behind this request is I want to understand exactly how these cars would be like. My current daily driver is a 1982 911SC, and if I get a turbo, or do an engine/trans swap in the SC, it will continue to be a daily driver. I'm not interested in top performance, but what it is like in normal, let's-not-get-arrested mode.

So, if you're in the LA area (I live in South Bay) and are willing to take me for a drive as well as let me tool around in your car for a bit, please let me know.

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Really if your not going to explore the top end performance of a 3.3 all your going to notice is that the 3.3 has a LOT more torque over the SC. This was the first thing I noticed after owning two SCs. That said you might be better suited buying a 3.2 carrera. Like the 3.3 the 3.2 carrera has more torque. The torque of a 3.2 carrera makes for more fun to drive over the SCs.

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Let me also say that Im not saying a 3.2 Carrera is better than a SC. Both are classics. The SC is a classic Porsche of the old school and becoming more collectable everyday. The 3.2 Carrera is a very fine sports car to drive.
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I find the 915 trans in an SC or early Carrera to be preferable to the 4-speed, very widely geared, trans in my 930. The 930 trans is great for the track, but I would consider it a bit of a weakness for around town, day-to-day use. There are solutions to that problem though, either rehearing the existing trans to be better around town for first through third or a G50 swap.

E: If you ever get to the DC area, I would be happy to take you for a spin or let you drive my 87 for a bit.
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Bit of an odd request, but I'm looking to test drive a 911 turbo in normal city and a little freeway driving. Perhaps 15-20 minutes, to get a real feel for how the motor and engine respond. The reason behind this request is I want to understand exactly how these cars would be like. My current daily driver is a 1982 911SC, and if I get a turbo, or do an engine/trans swap in the SC, it will continue to be a daily driver. I'm not interested in top performance, but what it is like in normal, let's-not-get-arrested mode.

So, if you're in the LA area (I live in South Bay) and are willing to take me for a drive as well as let me tool around in your car for a bit, please let me know.

Thanks!

KJ
I did a conversion way back in the 90's (82sc) 3.3 Turbo-top -end rebuild & tranny--& plus a lot of goodies on top....
Two words--No comparison--U WILL GET ARRESTED-sorry---ITS YOUR DAILY DRIVER
Boost feel and a light weight car is no joke----U WILL BE A BOOST JUNKIE.
If you are not accustomed to a serious boosted car- u will get into a lot of trouble..
It will be a dangerous car....UPGRADE THE BRAKES--

Heck--I almost got arrested just merging into traffic--from a ramp into the HWY--
Going from 40- to (no comment) late at night--shoot some flames--in seconds--is amazing--But there are consequences.

GL

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If you have a Euro car you have a quick car anyhow. A U.S car is not as quick.

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911SC (3.0) 204 HP 235 Torque 5.7 0-60

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911 SC (3.0) 188HP 225 Torque 7.0 0-60
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hope this helps.
i can drive my 86 around "town" an not get into the boost. infact sometimes thats a game i (have to) play just to keep from going fast all the time. town for me= a hwy bypass with lots of lights but 55mph speed limit and about a 25 minute drive to work.
if you are in the wrong gear at the wrong time and need to make a pass, it kinda sucks.
the SC will have better throttle response in traffic.
some may not agree with me on this but i think the 930 makes a much better hwy car or something you might take a trip in.
if you want a fun DD put a 3.6 in your 82.
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Just a warning!! You will be addicted the 1st time boost kicks in and hits you like a freight train. All sane senses will leave you! The car feels sluggish and heavy at 0-45mph.

You will find that you will spend most of your time in 3rd gear doing 60-130 sprints. I'm sure one of the guys in the neighborhood can help you out!

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Thanks for all the responses - precisely why I want to experience first hand. Too bad I'm so far away from DC!

I'm already addicted to boost - see my toy below. That is three pounds per boosted horsepower. I regularly experience lateral and longitudinal G's that a street car cannot reproduce. Just considering something a little more powerful than the 3.2 short stroke in my lightened 911SC.



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I have a 77 Euro 3.0 930 with a 915 box in it,
I use it as a daily driver,
Bottom end. first second, idling sitting in traffic, taking off and going with the flow of traffic, day to day driving around town i do it every day, it is nimble and quick car due to the 915 gearbox it feels it adds 40hp in first compared to the 4 speed., no hesitation no lag just an excellent power delivery without needing to wake the turbo up. Actually i rarely have the turbo boosting past 1/4 bar these days unless im in a hurry, and it makes for good fuel economy when the turbo isnt whining every second.
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holy smack! you need a 930. at least you will be able to drive it.

keep you SC and get the 930.


tell me more about your toy.
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nice run. looks like they built that course for you. wide and fast. looks like a corvette course.
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Thanks for all the responses - precisely why I want to experience first hand. Too bad I'm so far away from DC!

I'm already addicted to boost - see my toy below. That is three pounds per boosted horsepower. I regularly experience lateral and longitudinal G's that a street car cannot reproduce. Just considering something a little more powerful than the 3.2 short stroke in my lightened 911SC.

Well Whatever that (Toy) does it can not compare to a 930 because as you say yourself it is a (Toy)
And that is something a 930 is not
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I have a 911 with a turbo 930 engine in it and it's slowly morphing into a 930 proper.
Only thing I won't go 930 is the grearbox. I use a 915 and really can't imagine life without short ratios but I will be going g50 to get them. 915 can't handle the torque.
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As someone who has taken a 'normal' 911SC(83) and dropped in a stock 3.3L turbo(86), I can provide some pro's and cons:

Pro's: phenomenal acceleration, and since your 911 is about 150 LBS lighter than a stock 930, that also is bonus not to carry that extra weight. Being the iron-fist in a velvet glove has stealth advantages, except those in the know will know that tail and dual exhaust out the back are dead-giveaways.

Stick to your 915 with a package such as Center-force provides for easy clutch/pressure engagement, and flexible real world driving. It's good up to roughly 450HP, and in 4 years since I have had it, it's performed flawlessly.
Doing 0-60 times from stop-light to stop-light will cost you in terms of longevity, so utilize that extra gear to get you rolling, then 2nd onwards you can pour on the power.

The 3.3L is much more readily available, and places such as LA Dismantlers sell a complete motor for about 12K.


Cons: Power is not only addicting, but corrupting. If you get tickets on a regular basis, stay away from any 911 turbo. Also, like a 747 going down the runway...the acceleration is relentless right up to red-line in 5th gear. The car so effortless passes other cars on the freeway, as if you were driving against traffic.
There is a time to open up a can of whup-ass...and there is a time to just lay back.

MPG will be sliced to about half of what is was

Tail will be a bit heavier as the turbo engine is heavier, and you'll have more rear-weight bias.

Sound...my older 3.0 made a 'howl' about 4000rpms to redline. The turbo is absent of this, and simply makes an angry hissing when on full boost.

Danger: Driven at more than 8/10's, all 911 turbos are not unlike driving a super-bike, and require absolutely full commitment and concentration. Only you can really gauge yourself on your driving ability, but because you can buy or afford something like this, remember the "talent" is not included in the price-tag. There is no 1-800-Call-Mom here...your on your own with no ABS, Traction Control, stability management, etc.

I left my roll bars and torsion bars completely stock, and considering I don't track my car, or do anything crazy on the streets requiring to perform 90 degree turns at warp speed. The car just goes where I point it, and driven smoothly is extremely rewarding in the city or the hwy due to the flexibility of the 3.3L
Except for the Zimmerman cross drilled rotors and factory pads, the brakes are stock as well. In driving the car at 10/10th's on the hwy, or in clutch situations, they stop the car as needed. Tracking the car, my guess is after a few laps, they might not stand up, but since I don't pursue that, so far, the factory brakes/pads/calipers work just fine.


I don't believe anyone(including myself) would allow a novice to experiment with their turbo Porsche...you'll just have to take it on faith from the forum here that the performance is shattering.

911 Design(local So Cal) which is run by Loren Beggs did my car back in 2010 after I secured the motor, and I would recommend him in a heartbeat since they have extensive road and racing experience. Never give your car to someone as an experiment, but to someone who has done this before.


Good luck!
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Go to a local car dealer and test drive one. There's a couple of places that sell these there so test driving shouldnt be an issue..... And the bonus is its not yours...... Yet!
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tell me more about your toy.
It's an autocross/hillclimb car. Custom tube frame. The engine is out of a snowmobile, 1000cc, run at 18ish pounds of boost. It's built for SCCA A Modified class, which is the most open rule set. Restrictions are around minimum weight, maximum wing area and minimum wheelbase/track. With a normal size driver, would be around 950# total weight. Its 1050# with me. Routinely sees 1.3 forward G in acceleration. Has seen 1.5 forward G when everything hooked up. Produces enough down force to run inverted at 70mph.
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Well Whatever that (Toy) does it can not compare to a 930 because as you say yourself it is a (Toy)
And that is something a 930 is not
I'm not sure I'm following you?
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I've been making the assumption that I'd need to swap the 4 speed to make a CARB legal conversion. Perhaps I should fact-check that assumption.
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