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We don't yet have final costings, our current estimate is $99 for the simple block and $119 for the combined unit.

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Old 11-20-2014, 06:36 AM
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Is it possible you could offer a kit with different options such as;
w/Frequency Valve,
w/Damper,
or w/Hoses?
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Old 11-20-2014, 02:47 PM
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Certainly possible, although there will be a cost over convenience trade-off due to many factors including shipping and import/export costs.
It cannot be as economical as sourcing the parts locally if you reside outside of Oz, but we intend to offer the choice either way.

Damper, Injector and pressure sensor can all be kitted.

Hoses and or lines on the other hand would need to be carefully specified for each type of installation and quoted individually until we have an idea of scale and options needed.

We have the Australian office and local manufacturing facility of HEL Performance within a few miles of our location and have had discussions with them regarding options for line kits. They already do CIS lines in Europe so have access to a range of suitable metric fittings. www.HELperformance.com/CIS

Len (BoxsterGT) from AutoSport Engineering has also offered his services for those that require custom lines.

I can also tap the resources of a Goodridge dealer and Porsche workshop there in the USA that has had custom fittings made in quantity for the larger metric lines.

It's all subjective at the moment as we have no idea how popular this DIY version of the system will actually be and what range of options need to be catered for.
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Old 11-20-2014, 04:07 PM
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Wow those lines look great! I wonder if I could get some red lines made for my 930 cis? Really cool.
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Old 11-20-2014, 04:23 PM
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Steve,
My bad. I forgot you were in Australia. Can we get a bill of materials of your Beta Users had at their disposal so we can closely mimic their setup? Less margin for error on my part.
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Reference Install Parts List
(from master at the bottom of post 1 of this thread)


MicroSquirt (tm) MicroSquirt Engine Management System DIYAutoTune.com

FrankenCIS (tm) Metering Block #1 or #2
Injector - Delphi FJ10409 Fuel Injector (Single) For Dodge Chrysler Eagle 1993-1997 New Delphi FJ10409 11B1 Fuel Injector 4573062 4G1156 FJ208 | eBay
CP sensor - from Ahead Instruments (eBay store 100psi items - Ahead Instruments eBay Store)

Pressure Damper ( if using FrankenCIS #2 ) Denso 23270-62010 (xref to AIRTEX 3G1015 WELLS FD424 STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS FPD4 )

MAP sensor - Denso
IAT sensor - BOSCH 0280130085, PORSCHE 99360611400 SEAT, SKODA, VW 058905379, FAE 33226
Engine Temp sensor - Bosch 996 unit
WBo2 - Innovate LC2
(to suit a particular application the four sensors above can be substituted with anything compatible with MegaSquirt)
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Can we see it installed? And where are you publishing the source?
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The above cell-phone shots were taken as I unpacked the delivery

I will be installing one in my vehicle later today and will take a several photos with a proper camera.

Source and documentation as it evolves will be posted on the project website www.FrankenCIS.com
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Old 11-24-2014, 03:47 PM
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I also think we can soon provide information on a DIY $10 interface that will allow the MS ECU to directly control the 6 & 8 pin Bosch CDI ignition boxes meaning spark mapping will be possible too
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Old 11-24-2014, 04:16 PM
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if anyone requires higher resolution shots let me know












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Old 11-24-2014, 11:26 PM
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Firmware, loader and Tuner Studio template for FrankenCIS on a Microsquirt can be downloaded from http://www.FrankenCIS.com/Portals/2/FrankenCIS_2014-11-08_13.06.47.zip

The website will be up shortly, in the mean time a few of the metering blocks are on eBay at present for anyone who feels the need to grab one.
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As things progress, I am interested in beta testing the whole kit against a high HP 930 setup, currently using an electromotive Tec3R. Would be willing to switch over to another ECU, as long as distributor and reliable knock control is supported.
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Old 11-25-2014, 05:29 AM
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If you are not in a hurry there might be a few options available to us that would allow the two systems to co-exist. I'll do a little side research as I'm not up to speed on the current Electomotive range but my initial impression is the MicroSquirt would be a fairly dramatic downgrade from your current system.
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Quote:
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If you are not in a hurry there might be a few options available to us that would allow the two systems to co-exist. I'll do a little side research as I'm not up to speed on the current Electromotive range but my initial impression is the MicroSquirt would be a fairly dramatic downgrade from your current system.
Was thinking MS3 would be viable at some point. IIRC, micro and mega share a common code base, but agree, microsquirt is a major downgrade. That said, I am all for non conventional, evidenced by the fact that my electromotive isn't even being used for fueling, just spark. Thus my interest in fine grained control of the CIS fuel curve using all of the sensors I've installed, which include: TPS, Wideband O2, MAP, IAT, Oil temp, oil pressure, knock, along with others that could be added (EGT, etc.)

FWIW, the electromotive folks, although closed source, are very responsive. They wrote me a custom knock control subroutine for the Tec3r firmware. Given the appropriate data, I am certain they'd be willing participants in extending the reach of your control block into a large install base of electromotive users...if that is compatible with your business model.
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In a related theme, one of the reasons I was interested in your solution is your approach to ignition control, using interception and phasing for curve and knock control. To make a long story short, would love to use the dizzy to fire the top bank of plugs in a twin plug setup, while using coil packs to fire the bottom set, using the same ignition curve and knock control. This would allow a very, very stealth look (e.g. stock appearance) while allowing all of the goodies needed for a 500HP configuration.
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In that case hang on for the Franken8 ECU, we are in the final stages before prototyping the hardware so should have a few development units early in the new year.
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Subscribed. This looks interesting.
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Subscribed. currently building an EFI 3.2 w/ MS.
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looks interesting, mayby the next step for me...

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