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for my amusement in the attempt to understand the intersection in the red circle here

I drew the following, but it didn't help ;-)
Old 11-16-2017, 07:26 AM
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Basically the routing is

[Fuel Head and Sensor] then [Damper] then [Injector] then finally the outlet to tank

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from pages 7 & 8 posts 134 & 142 of this thread

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all of the information on how and why is here

However to avoid confusing the readers, if you are developing your own solution please create a new thread for it.
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:58 PM
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sorry, that wasn't smart of me. i just wanted to understand the tiny part on your sketch. probably, my spatial thinking is not good enough, since I could understand one section (hole overlap?) there. just tried to replicate it in my own drawing (didn't manage though). sorry once again, didn't want to get anyone confused.
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To bring back some FrankenCIS content

560 Mercedes being tuned by Dkubus with big cams, exhaust and FrankenCIS DPR system

Vehicle on Dyno

laptop screen during run
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internals view and stl

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nice, but CAD file is more preferable ;-)
has anyone evaluated the operating temperature profile for the WUR? In basic config, for simple WUR replacement, I think there is enough 'meat' left in the stock to create a recess or a cavity underneath the wur to accomodate a small board with power supply, microcontroller, MAP sensor, a temperature sensor and a switching transistor. If we add a cap covering WUR from the injector and fuel-sensor side, we could hide all the wires, and in that case, it would look like the original WUR, just two power wires and a vacuum hose)
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What is the correct procedure to install the Frankencis firmaware on a Micro? (I've windows 10 installed on my pc)
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use the integrated firmware loader in TunerStudio

TunerStudio integrated Firmware Loader | tunerstudio.com

and point it to the FrankenCIS firmware files (s19 and ini) from our web site FrankenCIS Firmware - Downloads
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nice, but CAD file is more preferable ;-)
has anyone evaluated the operating temperature profile for the WUR? In basic config, for simple WUR replacement, I think there is enough 'meat' left in the stock to create a recess or a cavity underneath the wur to accomodate a small board with power supply, microcontroller, MAP sensor, a temperature sensor and a switching transistor. If we add a cap covering WUR from the injector and fuel-sensor side, we could hide all the wires, and in that case, it would look like the original WUR, just two power wires and a vacuum hose)
Why? Someone has already done the work and is basically giving it away for free that you can install on a commercially built product already suitable for putting in an engine compartment and it works great. What's the point?
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Why? Someone has already done the work and is basically giving it away for free that you can install on a commercially built product already suitable for putting in an engine compartment and it works great. What's the point?
Optics.

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Lambda head with frequency valve and stock Bosch WUR as per Flightlead404s current installation negates the optics issue
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Lambda head with frequency valve and stock Bosch WUR as per Flightlead404s current installation negates the optics issue
Unless you're running a 79 which doesn't have a lambda.

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Time to upgrade then
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Time to upgrade then
Just optics...earlier fuel head is black iron, so the aluminum of the later lambda head looks out of place. It's why I'm black crinkle finish powder coating my CIS-E head. Optics.

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I feel your pain

Aiming for an OEM look and mixing in a healthy dose of WYAIT can get horribly out of hand


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I feel your pain

Aiming for an OEM look and mixing in a healthy dose of WYAIT can get horribly out of hand


Twin turbo Franken CIS 928 is on the wish list...

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Apologies for not reading all 50 pages of this thread...

Okay... my hand is being forced at last - my WUR ( 0 438 140 008) is non-responsive, so I assume after 43 years of service it's done.....

The car is a '74 911S dead stock 2.7.

Since the original unit isn't re-buildable that leaves me with there options - a) converting to the later Bosch vacuum operated unit, b) going the Franken CIS route, or c) chucking the whole CIS system and going with an after market EFI system. C is a non-starter - north of $5k. The vacuum WUR is probably the cheapest option, but the FrankenCiS is the most appealing from a tuning standpoint.

So... here are my questions:
Where can I find a definitive parts list to make the switch? I assume I need the microsquirt controller, some wiring harness parts, connectors, etc. What is the correct controller and where does one get it in the US?

What other sensors (temp, altitude, etc) will I need?

I already have a wide band AFR installed so that part's done. It does output the 5v signal that I understand the MS runs on.

Many thanks in advance. I'd like to get going on this project as I assume it's going to take some wrestling with to accomplish.

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Apologies for not reading all 50 pages of this thread...

Okay... my hand is being forced at last - my WUR ( 0 438 140 008) is non-responsive, so I assume after 43 years of service it's done.....

The car is a '74 911S dead stock 2.7.

Since the original unit isn't re-buildable that leaves me with there options - a) converting to the later Bosch vacuum operated unit, b) going the Franken CIS route, or c) chucking the whole CIS system and going with an after market EFI system. C is a non-starter - north of $5k. The vacuum WUR is probably the cheapest option, but the FrankenCiS is the most appealing from a tuning standpoint.

So... here are my questions:
Where can I find a definitive parts list to make the switch? I assume I need the microsquirt controller, some wiring harness parts, connectors, etc. What is the correct controller and where does one get it in the US?

What other sensors (temp, altitude, etc) will I need?

I already have a wide band AFR installed so that part's done. It does output the 5v signal that I understand the MS runs on.

Many thanks in advance. I'd like to get going on this project as I assume it's going to take some wrestling with to accomplish.

Thx,

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Why are you so certain your WUR isn't rebuildable? Tony Donato did mine, good as new.

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Interesting. 2 people have told me the 008 is a sealed unit - no serviceable parts. I'll give Tony a yell.... Thx.
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from post #1 of this thread with some 911 specific changes

DIY Autotune over there www.diyautotune.com is the source for most of the bits including the wiring components

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MicroSquirt (tm) MicroSquirt Engine Management System DIYAutoTune.com (30 inch harness) or the longer 8' harness option MicroSquirt Engine Management System DIYAutoTune.com (8 foot harness)

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Injector - Delphi FJ10409 Fuel Injector (Single) For Dodge Chrysler Eagle 1993-1997 New Delphi FJ10409 11B1 Fuel Injector 4573062 4G1156 FJ208 | eBay
CP sensor - from Ahead Instruments (eBay store 100psi items - Ahead Instruments eBay Store)
Pressure Damper Denso 23270-62010 (xref to AIRTEX 3G1015 WELLS FD424 STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS FPD4 )
Gasket for above damper Toyota 23232-41081 http://www.toyotapart.com/23232-41081.html

MAP sensor - Denso
IAT sensor - BOSCH 0280130085, PORSCHE 99360611400 SEAT, SKODA, VW 058905379, FAE 33226
Engine Temp sensor - Bosch BOS-0-280-130-012 - HEAD TEMP SENSOR BEETLE 75-79 / TYPE 3 68-73 / BUS 74-79 / VANAGON 80-83
By far the simplest solution though would be to have your original WUR rebuilt, or maybe the vacuum unit.

FrankenCIS is an option, but really requires a desire for tuning capabilities over and above what a WUR provides. If your car ran fine with the stock WUR then I'd definitely suggest you repair or replace yours with a Bosch unit. You will be driving it again much sooner
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