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Were do you guys take the tacho signal in engine bay?
Old 01-31-2018, 03:41 AM
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Funny enough, I'm replacing a Tec3 with mine and plan on using the Electromotive coils as well. They can be used with an inline igniter - the Tecs have igniters on the motherboard, and the MS does not. Very common. Lots of shrink wrapped solutions for this issue on diyautotune.com.

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Is this what you mean by an inline igniter?

https://www.diyautotune.com/shop/coils-ignition-systems/ignition-coil-amplifiersignitors/

Does it make more sense to buy this or just buy a better ECU that has it built in?
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I wrongly installed the 2 firmware files selecting "connect anyway" instead of "Update ECU Definition".
Could be a problem?
What should I do to repair the installation?
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Is this what you mean by an inline igniter?

https://www.diyautotune.com/shop/coils-ignition-systems/ignition-coil-amplifiersignitors/

Does it make more sense to buy this or just buy a better ECU that has it built in?
This: https://www.diyautotune.com/product/bosch-bip373-coil-driver-mod-kit/

Unsure of there's an MS2 implementation with on board coil drivers.

Instructions:

https://www.diyautotune.com/support/tech/other/bosch-bip373-ignition/

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I wrongly installed the 2 firmware files selecting "connect anyway" instead of "Update ECU Definition".
Could be a problem?
What should I do to repair the installation?
You can manually select the correct INI file from within the project settings

open your project

if you get the following screen again select "Update ECU Definition" and select the correct INI file



otherwise

go to file >> Projects >> project properties

in the middle of the page there should be a tick box "Other / Browse"

Tick the box and a find file window will open

Point to the correct ini file which was included with the firmware s19 file
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Funny enough, I'm replacing a Tec3 with mine and plan on using the Electromotive coils as well. They can be used with an inline igniter - the Tecs have igniters on the motherboard, and the MS does not. Very common. Lots of shrink wrapped solutions for this issue on diyautotune.com.

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You should be able to run 6 smart 4-wire COPs or go CNP in a wasted spark config on the same microsquirt as is controlling your fuel without additional igniters.

I was thinking about twin plug and COPs haven't gotten far enough to see if I need anything special to drive essentially 4 COPs off each ignition event.
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Were do you guys take the tacho signal in engine bay?
Splice into the tacho wire from the CDI, black/purple I think
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Thank you Steve for your support.

Now a little updating:
Microsquirt connected and in working conditions, registered version of Tunerstudio with Frankencis firmware installed,
a 36-1 trigger in front of crank pulley, an AEM wideband x series, here I read a value of 0.2 more on the pc compared to the gauge.

Now I'm connecting the device, how thick should be the wires?
Where to connect the ground? To engine or I've to use the Microsquirt one?

Could I use the original 4 poles Cts?
I don't have TPS ,Wich one could I adapt?

What is the minimum required to start the engine ?

The car is a Mercedes C124 3 liter 6 cylinders ke III.
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Mike from Dkubus is the best to ask about Mercedes installations

If the AEM wideband is calibrated correctly on the Microsquirt, and the wiring is good, I'd personally trust the PC over the gauge.

By 'Device' if you men the DPR/EHA module then the DPR module should have 20ga or better wiring, max is 150mA with the norm around 30-40, so not much current capacity needed. Grounding with the microsquirt is best.

TPS is not really needed, the MAP sensor is sufficient for both load and acceleration data.
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Splice into the tacho wire from the CDI, black/purple I think
On the Frankencis wiring diagram I can only see tacho out.
What pin should i use for this tacho in?
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Pick up the RPM input by splicing in to the Black/Violet signal line from the CDI to the tach and connecting that to VR1+, leave VR1- floating.
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Hello,
I've completed all the connections: Dpr, Map,trigger wheel.
Today I tried to configure tunerstudio.
The first part "Engine and Sequential Settings" is ok, but on "Injector dead time/PWM" I can change values only on " battery voltage correction", the others parameters aren't activated.
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go back to engine and sequential settings
what have you selected for Injector Port Type?

it should not be "Port Injection / T-Body" as that selects normal EFI mode

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What do you recomend?
Should i buy tunerstudio ms Ultra with logg HD
Or just tunerstudio ms and the logg?
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I own and use both the standard MS version along with Log HD

Ultra seems to include Log HD plus some extras in the one package for very close to the same price of MS/HD so I would go for Ultra
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Ultra should not need the separate Log HD
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go back to engine and sequential settings
what have you selected for Injector Port Type?

it should not be "Port Injection / T-Body" as that selects normal EFI mode

Thank you Steve,
Yes, I've selected ke jetronic/dpr.

I've also reinstalled your firmware.
What should I try now?

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For KE-Jetronic / DPR mode, there is nothing to be set on the Injector Dead-time page in version 556kU
Battery voltage correction should be the only active field

The K-Jetronic base settings section is for earlier WUR based systems only
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For KE-Jetronic / DPR mode, there is nothing to be set on the Injector Dead-time page in version 556kU
Battery voltage correction should be the only active field

The K-Jetronic base settings section is for earlier WUR based isystems only
I'm little confused because on section 3.2 CIS-E page 16 of Frankencis manual there is the injection dead window where I see Dpr Max - duty cycle enabled.
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manual was done using screens from 5.44

changes to CIS-E code in later versions now have VE to mA in an approximate 1:1 ratio with battery voltage compensation so the manual settings are not necessary
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