How low is too low?
 

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Working on a new setup with all new suspension components. The shop is having trouble. Thinking about the weltmeister sway/away or elephant or any other of our esteemed established proven performers.

IMHO, ^^^ that ^^^ is too low.

Ohhhh like the new wheels, much better than the old ones (twists?). As for low, can't quite see the rake (or lack thereof). I like a level stance, rear is a bit low for me, up it a 1/2 in and go level with the front and it'll be a nice mean stance...:eek:

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Here is how it was setup for the last 18 years. 25.25 ground to rear fender lip. The shop had it sitting at 24 inches. Misunderstanding. My question is what adjustable rear suspension is the most cost effective for a non tracked car?

I would raise the rear about half and inch maybe a bit more, and lower the front correspondingly.

Car looks great!

This is too low
 

Somewhere in between...

Sorry - no direct reports I can give regarding the best adjustable spring plate. I went straight to full coilovers. I just wanted to note that you car looks really nice with the 17" Fuchs.

Chris.

What wheels and tires are you running? Typical height is about 25" ground to fender lip front and 24.5" ground to fender lip rear. from there you set the rake depending on personal preference.

Rahl

The least expensive are the factory adjustable spring plates, about 1" of adjustment. Next would be aftermarket adjustable plates.

I'd raise the rear .5" and leave the rest be. I think the wheels look best when the top of the tire sits plumb and flush with the fender lip.

Sahara Diamond Metallic? Could you share the paint code from the door still, please? World help me and my paint research a lot.

I run the rears right down on the top lip of the tire. no rubs, but I have an ER adjustable spring plate, polybronze, and big T-bars with Von shocks, so it is much stiffer than stock. you cannot get a finger in my wheel gap. I love it. any lower and the alignment shop will need a lot of camber to get the toe in spec. and it will rub. Mine did before. Brought it up 1/2 an inch and it was good to go.

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At first when I saw mine after my suspension was complete, I thought is was too low but man was I wrong..she rides very well. Handles like on rails and absorbs the bumps with no issues.
suspension consist of
TRG coilovers..450lb Front and 500lb Rear springs
Smart racing bars
Rebel Racing 935 spring plates
Rebel racing rear bearings
Elephant Racing GT3 front suspension system
Elephant Racing Bump Steer Kit
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For me this was too low..needed a 2x4 under the rear wheel to remove the floor jack.
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adjusted and spot on:
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Does the sway away adjustable work for the 76? It says it does but I've run in to other things like transmission mounts that are said to work and don't. Also since I am not tracking this car what size of rear torsion bar is better than stock?

Bump steer kit for sure.

Yes, they will work for your car..

The only thing really wrong with your first pic is the reverse rake, I would come up a bit in the rear. Space out the fronts about 3mm..

Ride height is very subjective to ones tastes and what you want the car to do. I like it low with tops of tires very slightly tucked or level with the curve of the fender. As with anything there are sacrifices but with right amount of money applied in the right areas you can get pretty much any setup to "work".

Where the heck is FullQuack...King of Low?

Is this a 4X4 forum or a sportscar forum? :)

I like them low with the rear tires gently tucked under the wheel well.

If you're not tracking, go low as you like IMO. :)

PORfect!

if you are tracking go lower, just raise the pick up points.;)
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Esthetically I like the flares at the tops of the tires.I would lower your nose down and see how you like it.

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I'm going adjustable and here are some choices. Are any here that much better or easier to adjust settings? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1409765628.jpg
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Thank you
I vote for #3....note: if ordering, speak with Clint first...this will insure he has the part in stock....

Option 3 is coil-over only, right?

Yes you are correct...if your doing euro height...I think the factory plates should suffice.

He's got a 76, so the spring plates are the "non adjustable" types... I don't have any first hand exp., but I've seen a lot of sway away and weltmeister versions on cars and floating around. I think they're basically the same to adjust, prob made by the same Chinese mfg too...

Talked to Clint and he actually did suggest the sway away. Their high end is coil over. So I'll have 29 torsion bars adjustable ride height on an ancient car. What not to like?

The only down side to the aftermarket plates is you will lose about 1/2" space in the wheel well, which would affect fitting fatter tires.

Looks perfect to me.

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Parts came in yesterday. Could have the beast back on the road next week:)

OK, here is my take on stance, but it is just my personal taste, way too low for most out there.
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Now for the bottom line...What exactly do you want out of your car? If it is just to get it low, then adjustable rear spring plates and twisting down the front adjusters will work.
However, it will ride like s#@t, it will handle like s#@t, trust me I've been right where you are at. I too started with the simple approach, like I noted above, bad end results.
I then went a little further, with various different parts-n-pieces, still no joy.

What I wanted was a low car, that rode well, handled very well, and was not too harsh to live with. When you drop a 930 very far, you lose too much suspension travel, bump compliance and steering balance, not to mention the fact that your suspension is no longer working in the proper range or with the proper geometry.
There is only 1 way to really do it right......

Here is what I ended up with for an overall great package with virtually no compromises.

Rebel Racing front control arm bushings.
Rebel Racing rear spring plate bushings.
22mm front & rear adj. Tarett anti-sway bars.
Wevo weld on rear anti-sway bar mounts.
Strut tower brace.
23mm front torsion bars.
31mm rear torsion bars.
Front spindles raised 40mm by ERP.
ERP bump steer kit with welded braces.
Von front strut inserts, custom valved for my torsion bars.
Von shocks rear, shortened overall length, custom valved for my torsion bars.
Fikse 18" x 11" rear rims with 295-35 BFG KDW 2's.
Fikse 17" x 8.5" front rims with 1/4" additional negative offset with 255-40 BFG KDW 2's.
Corner balanced & with aggressive street alignment.
Tire life, about 10K on the rears & 18-20k on the fronts.

No it was not cheap, but I could have saved about $750 by not trying the first two trial-n-error approaches, and just simply have done it right the first time.


My .02 worth, take it or leave it.

Mark

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Here is the stance it's had since 95. It doesn't eat tires and tracks straight and true. I don't want to go much lower so its an ongoing endeavor.

well my .02 worth is with Quack ! went the same route and very happy with the balanced idea... spend money wisely
once I saw his car I had to go the same route, ERP and Rebel will help in all areas
Kozmo SmileWavy

Nice stance Les, but you gotta dump those wheels!
My opinion of course, but the latter factory style wheels do nothing for the earlier body style.

Check out the picture in the first post.

Does anyone recall pre Internet how many people thought those twists were supposed to be the worthy successor to Fuchs? They were only on the 993tt to start then they put them on everything. Oh well:) anyone want to make me an offer? And to think I passed on many used sets of Ruf for 1,000. Or any # of Fuchs.

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From our host.

Looks great. The RSR look will be very nice for your car sir.

Chris.

Back from the alignment shop. All new suspension. Went with 30mm torsion bars in back which tightened it up a bit. Ready for some fall road trips.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1411760668.jpg