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Finally got a once over....

About 5 years ago, I bought my 930 with out a PPI. Go ahead and flame me but I did not get one as I felt good about the car based on the many I looked at/put my hands on, and it had some valuable records/work already done.

A friend which I met about a year ago who has local shop, was a RSR, 934/935, 962, Lotus factory race team mechanic etc back in the day. He had a friend from Australia in town who has a similar but maybe more impressive resume. Both worked in the EU, and the US on high dollar / high profile teams and know their stuff (great stories).

No one other than me has worked on the car since I purchased it, so I decided to use these resources to look over the car. Thankfully there were no mechanical surprises. We id'ed the oil leaks from the breather and scavenge pump, and was given some suggestions to freshen the car (replace the original brake lines, a few other hoses etc).

When I purchased the car, I was told the paint was all original except for the drivers door. Yesterday I was told it appears there was paint work on the right rear fender. I don't know the extent of the damage which occurred, but the fender looks "perfect".

While I can say I dodged a bullet mechanically on the car, the work on the right fender bothers me and I want to know more. This now makes me want to get a paint and body man who knows his stuff just to look over the car to see its there are any further surprises. I have been looking at increasing the insurance value on the car (current at $50k), and this may help me make sure I have it valued correctly/not over valued.

At the end of the day they both said it was very nice solid road car.


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I had mine at $50k until Hagerty posted updated values through August of this year. A number 3 car, which is probably most good drivers, is closer to $90k. I'm certain I couldn't sell my car for that but Hagerty set the market - at least for their customers - so I upped it. They didn't flinch, simply agreed to a valuation of $85k and increased my premium a (very) little.

As for no PPI; I didn't have one either. At the price I bought mine for just over two years ago ... I couldn't pay the man quickly enough.

Oh, and that's a great color combination - probably increases the value a bit itself.
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That's a nice color. There's no need to admit not having a PPI 5 years ago. Most ugly problems would reveal itself during the 1st year of ownership and that would be punishment itself for not having a PPI. So you did great.

As for the paint...IMO I would leave the paint alone (repainted or not) as long it's done properly and blends well with the rest of the car.
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You could have a body shop measure the thickness of the paint in the suspect areas for piece of mind but if the paint looks good (good match, no orange peel, no corrosion visible) I concur with the others; leave the paint as is.
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Charles, $50k is severely undervaluing your car. I would be at least double that. Your car is most likely in between a number 2 ($111,000) and 3($95,000), which Hagerty would currently value at around $103,000. I think their updated numbers released in January will put it somewhere in the $115,000 range. Just my opinion.


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Hey Charles, no worries on the PPI, I didn't get one for my '77 or '79 before I purchased them. But I did ask (and always will) about the paint and whether it's original. Especially if it's being advertised or sold as original. Have the car metered, you might be disappointed with the results but at least you'll know. If the paint looks good, leave it alone, less is more. Take pride in knowing you have a rare colored, original '79 930. It's a special car. And please get the insurance up to at least $100k.
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Charles,

Check the texture of the paint under the fender. You can run your finger under the fender on the flat part. It should have a rough ripply feel. It should not be smooth. Compare it to the other fender. The texture should be the same. Alot of body shops dont know to reproduce this. It will give you an idea if there has been repaint. Also check the back quarter extensions, there should also be this texture on bottom part of that as well.

This texture can also be found on the side rockers, under the hood and front valance.
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I didn't get a PPI on mine either, but for $5k it was worth it.



Nice looking ride you have there. I've had mine for 4 years and still working on it.
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If you have a stated value policy and they agree to insure it for x amount of dollars then why would it matter if the car ever had a collision repair or not? You could not replace that car for 50K so I would definitely increase the policy value. As for the repair if it looks good to you and you see no problems with it just let it rest and enjoy your beautiful 930
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IMO a ppi is a waste of time. I got one, totally useless, ended up doing a total rebuild and mechanical restoration......you have a nice car!
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Charles,

That is a beautiful car. Mine is still at the shop finishing the turbo install. It would be fun to meet you and see your car in person some time. I'm in the Northlake area and will pm you after I finally get my car back.
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IMO a ppi is a waste of time. I got one, totally useless, ended up doing a total rebuild and mechanical restoration......you have a nice car!
It really depends on who's doing it. I once walked away from a deal because the guy doing the ppi did it too fast and turned out knowing the seller....something just wasn't right....now does that mean that even with the right person your 100% covered...not really...now if ppi's came with a guarantee...then that would change everything...probably would have less takers offering ppi services....
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Charles,

Check the texture of the paint under the fender. You can run your finger under the fender on the flat part. It should have a rough ripply feel. It should not be smooth. Compare it to the other fender. The texture should be the same. Alot of body shops dont know to reproduce this. It will give you an idea if there has been repaint. Also check the back quarter extensions, there should also be this texture on bottom part of that as well.

This texture can also be found on the side rockers, under the hood and front valance.
The texture on all the flares are the same. i just can't tell it was repainted or worked on. On some other 930s I looked at i could tell if a fender was worked on but i can't tell on this one.

i can tell the drivers side door was repainted even thought the color match is spot on.

it is what it is and I'm not going to worry about it. the car rocks as is and looks great/has a unique color.

i'm trying to find someone in the Atlanta area who can appraise the car. The new (Jan 2015) Hagerty valuation chart came out and it is about $10k higher than the previous one.
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A lot of doors got repaints for minor dings in the days before no paint dent removal specialists, don't sweat it!
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A lot of doors got repaints for minor dings in the days before no paint dent removal specialists, don't sweat it!
Agree, many paint repairs in the old days were for very minor stuff, If not, it is usually pretty obvious of any major damage, by careful checking the underside for any difference between the other side of the car. Hey Charles, your car from what I know of it , a solid #2 or -1 if you read Hagerty description of these categories. With sport seats, limited slip and rare color easy $125K to replace, and rising. As you know I bought a 79 930 ( and almost got yours) from the same guy, and it was exceptional, as I believe yours is. With more than one 79 930 low mile originals that recently changed hands @$300K and more, Hagertys value guide does not take these into account so excellent 930 like yours should still have a good future upside. I have a 79 that someone keyed on the right side front fender and mirror. Most likely because it was so gorgeous and those primitive types ( get back to plowing by horse ), can't stand beauty or are jealous. To me it is a testament of its beauty and I doubt it would have been done if not, so I could care less. To me it's a #1 car by Hagerty value guide and would not trade it for the low mile standard option or color ones that have changed hands for much more. There are some all original paint cars that would pale in overall condition next to yours. You have a very nice 930, enjoy.
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As you know I bought a 79 930 ( and almost got yours) from the same guy, and it was exceptional, as I believe yours is.
Interesting story. I had been focusing on a 76-77 to buy but decided to look at this particular car (even though it was a 79) as it was located in an area i was traveling in. The seller also had a 77 but it was not for sale. A couple days after i looked at the 79, the seller called me and asked if i was still interested as he had another person ready to buy. the seller and the other person wanted me to decide if i wanted it and if not the other guy would buy it. I decided to go ahead and buy it without at PPI knowing it would be gone and frankly i was getting tired looking for about 3-4 years for the right car. It was either time to "crap or get off the pot". a couple days after i got the car Tony asked me how i liked it. i asked him how he new i got the car and he said he was the one ready to buy it but wanted me to have first dibs as he knew i had been looking for one for a while. I thought (and still do) think this was class act. i have had quite a few folks inquire to buy my car, but Tony has the first right of refusal when i do decide to sell it.
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I forgot to mention, it is easier to see if any work was done if never pressure washed or the underside cleaned since new. If carefully used, even with 60K miles, I just looked at one on a hoist with 63Kmiles. It should still be pretty clean with your lower miles and any body work should be easy to see if all the original road debris is evenly distributed. Once pressure washed it can be much harder to find or easier to conceal any previous damage. And yes I do remember he mentioned the left door being repainted and that he had known of the car and owners since new.

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