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If you replace the 964 crank in the NA engine with 3.0 crank, you have a 3.3 twin plugged 8:5 CR engine, ready to be turbocharged :-)

I would trade
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Wow that looks like a really fun swap & project, I'd jump all over that to!! That 965 looks badass!
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Seriously, a 965 with a 3.6 motor vs a 993 cab? That is a no brainer. The 965 is probably worth 2X, even without matching numbers.
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Those are some nice pics and I have seen your car, which is just as nice...as you know I prefer old school P-cars ;-)... You need a project and I need to learn more not to mention I need a project as well as mine is done..Jump
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Unfortunately Porsche did document both the tranny and engine numbers which would show in the owner's manual, sticker in the front hood and or CofA. Also by year. Unless you can source the original engine I would not invest in a 964T or 993TT transplant. You would get more bang for the buck from a nice low boost twin turbo on what you already have at a lot less $$ and have a car that would smoke a lot of cars. Although a well setup 964 engine in that body could be all you need to have some real street fun. The turbos are great but not for everyone. You could always invest in a LWF and different gearing LSD etc assuming your brother hasn't done that already.

If you really want to wake the car up narrow body trailing arms, nice suspension upgrades etc would make a huge difference.

These are the kind of problems everyone should have.
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My brothers car need some work like the AC system needs some looking at, and a different set of wheels would be nice, maybe 18 inch Speedlines , RSR copies with NA trailing arms, should i do the RSR 3.8 tail or leave the turbo tail ?
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Your saying by replacing the 3.6 NA crank with a SC 3.0 crank and leaving the stock 964 P & C's would lower the compression enough to turbocharge this 93 964 NA motor?
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Your saying by replacing the 3.6 NA crank with a SC 3.0 crank and leaving the stock 964 P & C's would lower the compression enough to turbocharge this 93 964 NA motor?
You can do a low boost .5 bar or less and have all top end seamless power. You can go quite crazy if you want but it is far less costly than opening it up and I have seen these systems run for a long time on the track and even longer on the street.

Trust me I have a 450hp turbo 3.6 and a 450hp twin turbo 993 varioram low boost night and day difference and the twin turbo feels more like a N/A motor than a turbo.

Also if you do narrow trailing arms you have to do deep dish wheels and rs tail.
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Who does the best 3.6 NA to single turbo conversion , with out changing the internals, Protomotive ?
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My first point of contact would be Chris Carroll, TK
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Please keep a eye out for a 965 motor for me plz
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Please keep a eye out for a 965 motor for me plz
Good luck I saw a 3.3 l sell a while back for $25k haven't seen a 3.6 in years. Are you planning on adding a G50/52 tranny as well. Figure about $10k for one. Then the driveshafts etc.
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You'll just have to keep an open search going for the numbers matching drive train. In the mean time you can enjoy the car with the drive train it has now or turbocharge the 3.6L or add a 930 engine or, or ... I don't see a down side anywhere other than the mountain of cash needed to do these things. I think I'd drive it as-is and save up for the correct drive train, it's going to be expensive.
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It's been awhile sense my last post, but that's what happens when you drive a 993 NA car nothing to report,

I have a update on the 965 trade, I just got back from a test drive in AZ, AC works..
thank god..

Its a true 1992 964 Turbo one of 289 built that year, Blk on Blk full leather interior and trim, two owner car with 48000 miles,

Starts and drives great and that 3.6 NA engine feels peppy the engine sound different than the 993, I'm sure the hydraulic lifters have something to do with it, it feels like it may need to be corner balanced, my brother installed H &R lowering springs, it feels off.

The 3.6 Na motor has one exhaust outlet on the right, and the 965 has dual outlet bumper, looks bad, so i will need a dual out muffler for a 964 .


Here's whats wrong with the car, It Leaks power steering fluid from somewhere around the reservoir, should be a easy fix, rear lighting need to be replaced , they look pink, the read deck is warped, because of the AZ heat and it's leather

The brakes on the 965 use a electric hydraulic pump system, the brakes need to be bleed correctly, it's a process,

The gear lever has a weird thing going on , a first the gear lever acted normal, as drove the can for a while the gear started to get sticky, like the linkage is rubbing or catching on something, maybe the tranny mounts are going bad, or the tunnel cover is pushed up onto it,

The tires are shot and dried up, the wheels are ok, but a set 18 RH's would look better, but for now they will stay, the front bumper and hood is pitted really bad , like he drove behind a gravel truck for a hour the rest of the paint looks great, and there's a door ding on the driver door,

over all not a bad car.

So looks like I have something to work on this spring, I will post pic's when she arrives.

thank you guys for your encouragement on doing the trade.
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Here's some pic's from my visit to my brothers
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Its a true 1992 964 Turbo one of 289 built that year, Blk on Blk full leather interior and trim, two owner car with 48000 miles,

AC works..thank god..

it feels like it may need to be corner balanced, my brother installed H &R lowering springs, it feels off.

The 3.6 Na motor has one exhaust outlet on the right, and the 965 has dual outlet bumper, looks bad, so i will need a dual out muffler for a 964 .

It Leaks power steering fluid from somewhere around the reservoir,
rear lighting need to be replaced , they look pink, the read deck is warped, because of the AZ heat and it's leather

The brakes on the 965 use a electric hydraulic pump system, the brakes need to be bleed correctly, it's a process,

The gear lever has a weird thing going on , a first the gear lever acted normal, as drove the can for a while the gear started to get sticky, like the linkage is rubbing or catching on something, maybe the tranny mounts are going bad, or the tunnel cover is pushed up onto it,

The tires are shot and dried up, the wheels are ok, but a set 18 RH's would look better, but for now they will stay,

the front bumper and hood is pitted really bad , like he drove behind a gravel truck for a hour the rest of the paint looks great, and there's a door ding on the driver door,

over all not a bad car.

So looks like I have something to work on this spring, I will post pic's when she arrives.

thank you guys for your encouragement on doing the trade.
Yep, nothing dramatic here, all reasonable fixes.. Also, if adding the turbo set-up seems like a daunting PIA, there is a TPC supercharger for sale on the board.

There are a couple of 964's and 993's around the area that are running the TPC set-up. Having driven two of them, I'd say the feeling is quite linear, similar to that of the TT but with a bit less rush.
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