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baloo 01-23-2016 07:56 AM

I wanna know: How is a chip designed without the car on a dyno?
 
I just realized that i do not understand how a chip gets designed.
I have several questions that I know there are a bunch of you who know the answers.

1) HOW can the chip-makers just ask you for the octane you use, and exhaust system, and injector size maybe, and a few other factors, and THEN design a chip for you.

2) Is there a software program into which one inserts a bunch of variables, and it then designs the chip? (Is this how Steve Wong does it -- distance-learning?)

3) Given the mods that most of us do to the car (including reducing car weight, tire size, etc.), how can there be a chip programmed for the car without the car actually being "measured", like maybe on a dyno??

4) How in the world do you know if the chip you got is the ideal design for your car?
Certainly one's seat-pants-dyno is pure guesswork.

Appreciate some insight.
Thanks.

Tippy 01-23-2016 08:47 AM

Very simple, they've made the tunes before from other vehicles, then saved the data.

Doubt a tune is estimated, but you could if you knew the VE difference one engine makes from the newer part(s).

Is it perfect? No, but even with say hypothetical 15% variance (would be extreme I'd imagine) between 2 different engines with the exact same parts and bits, it'll be good enough to drive fine.

kenikh 01-23-2016 09:48 AM

This is why customizable EMS are so nice. You can keep on tweaking.

Miguel Antonett 01-23-2016 10:18 AM

Chip, on a 930?

baloo 01-23-2016 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miguel Antonett (Post 8968910)
Chip, on a 930?

Sorry -- not 930 but a 3.2 Carrera turbo-to-be.

Tippy 01-23-2016 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baloo (Post 8968929)
Sorry -- not 930 but a 3.2 Carrera turbo-to-be.

The chip I ran before on my turbo 3.2 was made by Protomotive. It did have some problem areas. PO sent it to them telling the issues, and they addressed these for about $100.

My understanding is Steve Wong offers the same, price unknown.

baloo 01-24-2016 06:31 AM

Thanks for the responses.
Customizable EMS makes the most sense, however, I think this will be far down the road, because this Porsche is just a project, never intended to race (and possibly never intended to drive! --- yah, it's one of THOSE cars).:mad:

Tippy 01-24-2016 06:53 AM

You can run an MSD BTM (boost timing master) to retard timing under boost and a BEGI (Bell Engineering) rising rate fuel pressure regulator to raise fuel pressure under boost not requiring a chip.


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