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Mighty Meatlocker Turbo
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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Key points is understanding noise/EMI and grounding. Without understanding these topics, it will never run right. |
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Mighty Meatlocker Turbo
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: North TexASS
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Well, I know how to turn an aircooled 911 into a refrigeration transport vehicle, so maybe that would translate into learning about EFI ?!?! ![]() I'll read-up on the manuals - I know I've said that in the past, butt then get the car running right and put it off, butt my eventual goal is a BOSS EFI system, as I have always been jealous of you big horsepower boyz, and now that Kenik is going to make the leap, weelllll, I just can't sit back and let that salacious affront go unchecked indefinitely!!! ![]() |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: North of Exit 17
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Bring it on, princess
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Btw, I'm going AEM Infinity. I want reliable knock control and haven't heard of much luck on MS with that.
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Mighty Meatlocker Turbo
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: North TexASS
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I can't wait to see how you plan to make EFI look like MFI, bub!!! |
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Turbofrog
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Europe
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I already have MS3pro but I'm still trying to get the best out of CIS. I have deleted all unecessary emission crap from my engine so its a bit more easy to troubleshoot. Only original gadget I run is WUR and that is BLwur. So I only have ignition and fueling to sort if I get problems. Only problems so far I've had in a long time are spark plugs. Those cheap copper plugs just dont handle my MSD spark? Couple of broken porcelaine units after now with stock bosch platiniums no failures.
I have my fuel pumps switched too so I can test both of them separately. Also pugs are doubled at this time and that made it easy to find a bad plug. Unused twinplugs is sucky but maybe I will rig up my mspro for twin spark first to see what that does for CIS.
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Mighty Meatlocker Turbo
Join Date: Apr 2016
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Smurf, similar to you, I have also eliminated most of the unnecessary stuff over the course of the last 9-10 years - the decel valve, all emissions related components, both devices that prevent distributor vacuum advance at start-up, etc. (still have the AAV in place, though it almost never functions in my hot climate), and have a Leask WUR that I really like. You're right, it definitely helps to have that stuff gone when it comes to troubleshooting (not to mention the engine runs better without interference from those things). I like the switched fuel pumps idea - both for troubleshooting and also as theft prevention. I've done Shadetree's fuel pumps wiring mod, so could easily now run switches into the cabin - should have done that long ago. |
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Turbofrog
Join Date: Aug 2009
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AAV --> hand throttle --> retroWIN : )
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Mighty Meatlocker Turbo
Join Date: Apr 2016
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Sounds great to me!
I would also like to retro-fit a heater flapper lever in place of the autoheat assembly - still works in my car, though I seldom use it (almost no need for heat here, for me), and I've seen that they sell for pretty good money on eBay = more WIN! ![]() |
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Turbofrog
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I have removed those controls too, only use driver side fan outlet. I have an eberspaecher diesel heater for colder time but I havent installet it yet. Then I could remove the other side too to get more clearance for turbo piping.
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The other covetness of EFI is the sano wiring harness. If you saw the videos Pistol Pete put up about his TK EFI project (and he still owes the final one with the Garrett 35R, ahem), the rewire was awesome. Having very firsthand knowledge now of the wiring of these cars, it's amazing to me that they even run. That paint by numbers harness just clicking on to all the EFI bits was the most impressive element of that series IMO.
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Up North
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Amen. This is so so true !! I am just finishing up migration to MS3 (from MS1) and ended up redoing all my grounding, noise prevention, etc.
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And one more thing to check, even though I don't think this is the issue -
I ran into an intermittent fuel pump issue that turned out to be the darn Red relay in the front trunk. The relay checked out from continuity POV but depending on time of day, temperature, humidity, .... it may not pass enough current to fire up the pump. And this can happen while I am driving. I have exact same issue with another Black relay that I rewired to power WBO2 and same thing happened. Never thought a relay can go bad in this manner but then these are close to 30 year old electronics...
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Most people tend to think the positive (+) cable is the dangerous lead, when in fact DC current flows from negative to positive where as AC is positive to negative. That being said it is the ground on a DC current that is the most important lead. Poor grounds will cause all hell to break loose if they are not clean with a good contact. Keeping signal wires away from power wires help keep noise away.
Besides.... Can you guys imagine the plithera of knowledge Rawknees well spew from the EFI experience!???
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Same with a 78 930 I had, once upon a time. Problem started in very hot and humid weather. Would start with a push and afterwards when cool with the starter. I still have the defective coil and MSD. Both will still start up a 930 if plugged in when cold.
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I bought new coils from PartsKlassic, made by them and cheaper than Bosch. Also had Bob Ashcroft (thru Pelican) go through both cdi boxes.
As fas as efi, there's guy down your way who posts here, that spec'd out a MS efi set up for me for a very reasonable price. He also offered to supply the set up maps. He's done a few 930's. The only reason I held off is there's no one up my way that could dial it in. I'd rather have someone who know's what they are doing vs me torturing myself.
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Waiting for the phone to ring, 'Knees! ;-)
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