For those saying a stock 930 isn't fast.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

These cars were the fastest cars in the world in their time. They have earned the right to retire. They are Icons now. Let the young guns fight for that fastest car of the month. The 930 did that better than any car in the world. For 14 years.

They have earned their place in sports car history. And it's high up.

Or . . . replace some of the garbage components that the car was delivered with (turbocharger, intercooler, non-adjustable WUR, horrendously restrictive muffler, etc.), and have a car that is still fast and fun by modern standards - no need to retire them from the performace wars by any stretch.

Originally Posted by icemann427

While I tend to like it when it...



whether we are in the 930 or not, my girlfriend tends to like



much better!

BUTT which approach does your wife prefer?!?!?!

[icemann427]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

BUTT which approach does your wife prefer?!?!?!

LOLOL The same one! (no wifey for me, hehe)

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

These cars were the fastest cars in the world in their time. They have earned the right to retire. They are Icons now. Let the young guns fight for that fastest car of the month. The 930 did that better than any car in the world. For 14 years.

They have earned their place in sports car history. And it's high up.

The history and mystique/legacy are there. But the rest of your post reads like an obituary! These are cars that are meant to be driven--not museum pieces that never spin a crankshaft again!

The 930 is still one of the most fun, visceral, and exciting cars to drive. It's got character in spades. Retire?!?!

[speednme1]

I've seen this car in person(keeping in line with museum pieces). It is truly unique but for an enthusiast it can be a sad sight as well...only has 100 miles since new.
Porsche Panorama - "The Last 930"

[puddy]

I love my wait, wait, wait, bam turbo car! Its the funnest thing i've ever driven, I certainly haven't driven alot of high end exotic cars but to name a few, Ferrari F430, 458 italia, McLaren SLR, Nissan GTR. Also have rode shotgun in all the top latest greatest Porsches. I wouldn't trade any of them for my car, unless for monetary gains.

[T77911S]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

For me the turbo lag is the car. Slow..sloow..slooower... then a Mike Tyson uppercut to the chin. Mans car.


Porsche knew how to build a turbo charged engine. You guys are dialing out all the character of these early Porsche turbo charged engines.

if Porsche would have had the turbos that are available today back then, that would not be the case.

BTW, I road in a friends new WRX STI, just as much turbo lag. came in at over 3k. TOTALLY surprised me how much lag there was.

these engines are amazing that a design form the 60's can put out so much HP and still be reliable,

[1979-930]

I think I've read this thread somewhere before...

[Mocker]

Another thing worth mentioning--it's not like we're the only ones modding our cars. Owners of all kinds of cars, including more recent Porsches, use after-market/modern components to improve the performance of their rides.

That 993 Turbo above? If I had that car, I'd be looking at more modern turbos/headers/ exhaust for improved efficiency. BMW drivers are even worse than Porsche guys when it comes to modding their rides...ask me how I know!

[Mick_D]

Take your lips off the exhaust pipe and slowly back away....

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

You guys are dialing out all the character of these early Porsche turbo charged engines.

Too funny when folks describe design flaws and shortcomings as "character".

Originally Posted by puddy

I love . . . wait, wait, wait, bam . . .

PuddyPuller, it sounds like you are describing a Flunitrazepam situation, ya' freak!!!

[aschen]

I think everyone on the internet knows 930s were fast for their time. They were/are fast enough that a stock 930 is still sorta quick by modern standards.

If somebodies WRX sti has as much lag as any era stock 930, the subaru is broken. They still have the 15 year old ej25 motor which is a bit archaic, but nowhere near the spool up time of the porsche. I had an wrx sti for many years and it would leave a stock 930 standing still from 0-30 mph. Short gearing and awd helps of course.

[krasuskyp]

Hey Rawknees - 'Seriously Shortdicked" is your new name!

now

this is kindasorta the dumbest thing I've ever read here - geesh

my modded to hell '87 has SUCH a 'boost hit' after lag lag lag lag... the BAM friggin lights off BOTH of the 295/18s when the boost finally hits

this is NOT easy to do mind you - that's immense contact patch, width and length (something Rawknees can measure w/ his finely calibrated sphincter) via LSD

My stock car was a snore. Rawknees sum'd it up spot-on IMO... the 3LDZ affords a microscopic usable power curve. Limited boost range, shift. Boring.

My car now? Oh man... friggin WOT BLISS!

So, um er uh... yeah.

[krasuskyp]

you are in *serrrrrrrrrrrrrious* need of some enlightenment via some WOT time in a properly set up 930...

cool on the posters btw - still have them? Those are the best!

[Mick_D]

Modern day Subarus have 305 horsepower, weigh 3400 pounds, and do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. They top out at 159 mph due to aerodynamic drag.
a 1984 930 had 330 horsepower, weighed 3000 pounds, did 0-60 in 4.6 seconds, and topped out at 173 mph.

The Subaru costs $36K brand new and comes with a warranty and a 'wing for days'.

When was the last time you really needed to go 173 mph instead of 159 mph?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Mick_D

When was the last time you really needed to go 173 mph instead of 159 mph?

No one "needs" either of those speeds, so I guess we should all sell our gross polluter 911s and start driving Priuses. . . or better yet, use public transportation (like Paul does on his way to work the cowboy bars!).

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by krasuskyp

you are in *serrrrrrrrrrrrriously* need of some enlightenment via some WOT time in a properly set up 930...

cool on the posters btw - still have them? Those are the best!

No my bedroom walls were wall to wall porsche. Then I wall to wall my dads garage with porsche cup posters lol He was kinda annoyed by it but tolerated it lol. One other memory that came back to me was we had (the dealership) one of the very last or maybe even the last 928 GTS in the world black/tan manual car. I believe the MSRP was $90,000 or so.

[Mick_D]

Oh, just for fun:
The 1962 Ferarri 250 GTO had 300 horsepower, did 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, weighed 1900 pounds, and topped out at around 174 mph. Not that you could tell while driving, mind- the GTO doesn't have a speedometer. Or door panels, come to think of it.

So, in the 22 years from 1962 to 1984, there's an improvement of less than a second in 0-60 .
And in the 32 years between 1984 and 2016 we see an improvement of ... a tenth of a second in 0-60 times.

But hey! WE HAVE DOOR PANELS!

[Mick_D]

Now now, no need to go to extremes, Ronnie. Get a Tesla Model S superduperextraordinaitre or whatever they call it these days. You can go 0-60 in 3 seconds and drive almost 200 miles before you have to plug in. So you can be a performance snob AND a climate-protecting elitist!

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

No one "needs" either of those speeds, so I guess we should all sell our gross polluter 911s and start driving Priuses. . . or better yet, use public transportation (like Paul does on his way to work the cowboy bars!).

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by Mick_D

Now now, no need to go to extremes, Ronnie. Get a Tesla Model S superduperextraordinaitre or whatever they call it these days. You can go 0-60 in 3 seconds and drive almost 200 miles before you have to plug in. So you can be a performance snob AND a climate-protecting elitist!

Electric cars are and will always be appliances. No heart, no soul, not sure electric cars will ever be more than used appliances after they have served their purpose.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Mick, does the Tesla come with a "fast car sounds" option in their audio systems?!?! All jokes aside, I know that some cars do, right? Man, talk about poofterville!