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EFI in California

To the brain trust,
I just recently came across a post talking about how CA will not let you modify your engine due to emissions regulations. Looking further into it and it looks like an EFI conversion for our cars is illegal. Has anyone been able to get the waiver from the CARB or been able to get it past the smog stations? I will be moving to CA later this year and I was hoping to get Turbokraft to modify my engine. Other than registering the car in another state is there a way to get around this? Seems like Singer gets around this with a SMOG compliant EFI (not sure how/who they use).

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Unless your vehicle is 1975 or older, you have just about 0% chance of doing an EFI swap to your 930. Brother lives out in Fresno, and OMG... that state id FUBAR'ed when it comes to older vehciles and the laws governing them!
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"IF" you are lucky enough to find a guy who knows a guy usually $500.00 will get you a cert.
It's a very unreliable way to go. Those guys don't get away with it forever.
It's getting to the point they are going after the tuners now. I can get a tune on my Mustang because I have been friends with the guy for 20 years. Everyone else is told no.
Singer does not remove the emissions on the California cars if you read their website. The 4.0 engine is not available to CA owners either.

The only legal EFI swaps are on vehicles that are at least 5 or 8 years old (can't remember), and the engine is from a vehicle at lease 2 years newer and the complete engine with all of it's emissions components are swapped into the car. So you could install a 993 Turbo into the car and be legal.
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I'd slip anyone a fiddy to get EFI in my car. I have an '89 so the age law is not a direction I can go. Thanks for all the responses hopefully I can get something going to make it happen. Maybe I'll register it in NJ with my parents. That would be an a$$ pain though since they also have a smog inspection every 2 years. I guess that means a road trip!

I really dont want to swap a newer engine in the car. I wanted to make a tribute GT2 that I think Porsche would have done in 89.

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I'd slip anyone a fiddy to get EFI in my car. I have an '89 so the age law is not a direction I can go. Thanks for all the responses hopefully I can get something going to make it happen. Maybe I'll register it in NJ with my parents. That would be an a$$ pain though since they also have a smog inspection every 2 years. I guess that means a road trip!

I really dont want to swap a newer engine in the car. I wanted to make a tribute GT2 that I think Porsche would have done in 89.

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If you go through NJ, get historic plates. No emissions (or any inspection) required.

Be sure to read the rules for historic plates first though as there are some restrictions. It is supposed to be stock and they require pictures, but no personal inspection. you aren't supposed to use it as a DD though, and having it in Cali could cause a problem for insurance maybe?? not sure...

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They are onto the out of state registration as well. There are large fines with caught. There were a lot of Montana LLC owned cars driving around up until a couple years ago.

There are a handful of rural counties that are emissions testing exempt. I have thought of trying to get an address in one of those counties.
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I wonder if just owning land there would be good enough. Julian is one of the zipcodes in San Diego that does not require bi-yearly checks, just when you first register the car.

I am not looking to skirt the system and have a vehicle that polutes the air. I bet an EFI in our cars is much cleaner but CA doesnt want to do anything about that I guess. Probably becuase they are easily retunable.

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^^^ I've said that for years. The emissions test should just be based on tailpipe tests. You should be able to up-grade an older car without a bunch of pointless regulations created by people that don't know squat.
But if they reduce the regulations, then they reduce the number of Union employees needed at the BAR and EPA to monitor everything and the Unions will never let that happen. It's always about Mafia (I mean "Union") money.
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Man you have the last year of the true 911 and it's a turbo and you want to build it into a GT2 tribute car? Let the strict emission standards of CA do you a solid and see it as a sign to leave that poor car alone. Buy some jacked up 930 mish mash and resurrect it. Or even better start with a '75 so that you are exempt and turbo body it and have at it.
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Norm, I do plan on getting involved. If the car doesn't pass smog when I get there then she gets parked and I will be working on getting things done to her and to see what changes can be made.

Nathan,
Yes she is the last of the 930's but I don't want a stock 930. I respect plenty of people that do that but I am not that kind of guy. As to the value of the car...it only has value if you sell it and I will not do that.

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Norm, I do plan on getting involved. If the car doesn't pass smog when I get there then she gets parked and I will be working on getting things done to her and to see what changes can be made.

Nathan,
Yes she is the last of the 930's but I don't want a stock 930. I respect plenty of people that do that but I am not that kind of guy. As to the value of the car...it only has value if you sell it and I will not do that.

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My first car was a '69 Karmann Ghia with a 2176cc motor and all kinds of cool modifications. Over a period of 6 or so years my dad I spent approx $35k on the car and when I went to college I got hit by a young girl not looking where she was turning. Instead of just fixing the car I started a never ending project of further customization that ultimately led to me literally throwing the body away and trading the engine for a nice motorcycle. My take away was I should have just simply fixed the car and bought a second car to modify.
Is the fact that it's an '89 930 relevant to your project? Even though you said you wouldn't sell it, would you consider selling it it to buy a cheaper starting point even if it's just an '88 930 for example. Just curious. My Ghia story is one of my life's only regrets and it haunts me to this day.
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My dad had several porsches when I was little. This particular one has sentimental value due to that. The fact that it is an 89 has no bearing on anything. I literally got extremely lucky 7 years ago when I got the car. I was not aware that 89 was the last year. I just saw a 911 turbo like my dads and got it on the cheap.


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My dad had several porsches when I was little. This particular one has sentimental value due to that. The fact that it is an 89 has no bearing on anything. I literally got extremely lucky 7 years ago when I got the car. I was not aware that 89 was the last year. I just saw a 911 turbo like my dads and got it on the cheap.


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Ok ok I tried, project sounds super cool. Last attempt, keep this one and also buy another!
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Sounds like a great idea! Just need to convince the wife.


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