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Old 12-20-2017, 07:24 AM
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Which is what I've got. You are welcome to stop by and see iot compare if that helps.
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Car&Driver has posted the 1986 article.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/1986-porsche-911-turbo-archived-road-test-review




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Hi All.
The 78´is now out of the Picture and a new challenge has appered. Should i choose a year 85 or a 87´. Both cars are 930/911 turbo with ROW specs. The 85 has 42k on the odometer and the 87 has 80 k on the odometer. Is there any difference between the 2cars ? or are they identical?

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Hi All.
The 78´is now out of the Picture and a new challenge has appered. Should i choose a year 85 or a 87´. Both cars are 930/911 turbo with ROW specs. The 85 has 42k on the odometer and the 87 has 80 k on the odometer. Is there any difference between the 2cars ? or are they identical?

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Do you have photos?

Paint color/condition, interior condition, maintenance records, modifications, accidents... these are all things to take into consideration and you haven't posted any details.
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Simple: which car is in the best of conditions for your money...things can add up quick!
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Hi All. My biggest concern is if there is any difference in the quality of the cars. Does the 87 have any upgrades that I would miss if I choose the 85? Is it a better build from new ? I seem to have read that the AC is better on the 87, but is that's the only difference. I cant find any other variations myself, but you guys are the experts.
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the ac in any pre 1986 911 car is terrible. Post 86 a little better and more upgradable. The dash vents are bigger so you can get more airflow from them when you upgrade the system. I used to have an 85 3.2 coupe and it didnt matter what you did there wasnt enough flow because of the tiny vents. Most of the turbo specific stuff is easy to change or upgrade.
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The motor and trans are essentially identical. The AC is better and there are small things throughout that were slightly improved upon as the years went on, but for me and as others have already stated, the condition of the actual cars is a FAR bigger determinant of the better car than any small improvements that may have been made that you would likely never even know about. Don't worry about what year to get, worry about getting the best car for the money and condition that you can, regardless of year.
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930 ´78 vs 87

No difference in build quality from 75 to 89.

You don’t buy a 930 with concern about AC.

75/77 whale tail, welded fenders rear vent windows, 930 VIN

78/79 tea tray, welded fenders, floating rotors, 930 VIN

80/81 floating rotors. VIN changed.

82/85 solid rotors several revisions to suspension and CIS to tame the early 3.3 Dr jekyll Mr Hide personality.

86/89 well mannered, no more light switch on off boost delivery and oversteer of the early 3.3. The 86/89 930 oversteer was nearly gone unless greatly provoked or silly driving in the wet..

The only difference with driving characteristics are as follows..

75/77 pretty docile until driving beyond 8/10s then handling can become a real handful..

78/79 these can be described as well tempered when driving at 7/10s when going to 8/10s to 10/10 unless you are a professional racing driver you are basically signing your own death certificate.

80/85 were strictly RoW ect. They received various upgrades over the years to make a sports car that was safe to be driven and more importantly SOLD in the U.S. market not mention to meet emissions to.

1986/89 these 930s are so well behaved you have to be a real knuckle head or purposely trying to invoke the dark side of the 930s personality to get into serious trouble.

Hope this helps or at least answers a few questions.

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The differences that come to mind;

Upgraded A/C with a different dashboard top and face. More airflow and the dash top can be removed without first removing the windscreen.

Automatic heater upgraded with a different location for the cabin air temperature sensor and a fan that circulated cabin air past the sensor.

Wider rear wheels (9 inch versus 8 inch)

Different rear reflector, I think.
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my 84 is somewhat simpler electronically than the US 86+ cars. No yellow relay and no box under the seat. I consider this a positive (but a very minor one). The later cars have the more convenient to work on CV joints with tin caps though

Not sure if later euro cars got these items or not.
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What year did the lambda/O2 sensor system get added to the CIS?
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Hi All. My biggest concern is if there is any difference in the quality of the cars. Does the 87 have any upgrades that I would miss if I choose the 85? Is it a better build from new ? I seem to have read that the AC is better on the 87, but is that's the only difference. I cant find any other variations myself, but you guys are the experts.
I'm slowly forgetting alot of this stuff but a couple more things I remember about the '87 I had.
1986 was the first year with the lambda system for the CIS.

The '87 USA cars had the radio's antenna installed as a really fine wire inside the front windsheild. You have to really look for it to see it otherwise you may never know it's there. I think it was shaped kind of like a big "T".
Earlier cars had a typical telescoping antenna in the top of the right front fender. It might have been electric.

Starting in '87 the word PORSCHE in the rear center reflector was made with translucent clear letters. You can still read it easily, it's just more subtle. '86 and earlier cars had black letters.

The original 911 AC evaporator and evaporator fan in the smuggler box was a little better starting in late '86 or from '87 on. It could actually blow some cool air out the enlarged and improved dash vents if everything else was set up correctly.

Late '87 cars and all of them from '88 on got strengthening gussets welded on to the top of the rear shock towers and cross member.
They made some small upgrades every year.
The last year of them was 1989 and that year they got the excellent Getrag G50/52 5 speed transaxle.
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The '87 USA cars had the radio's antenna installed as a really fine wire inside the front windsheild. You have to really look for it to see it otherwise you may never know it's there. I think it was shaped kind of like a big "T".
Earlier cars had a typical telescoping antenna in the top of the right front fender. It might have been electric.
For what it's worth, the windshield antenna started before 1987, my 1986 US 930 had it.
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Yeah, I'm not sure when they started that. At the same time if your '86 was built during the last 3 or 4 months of 1986 it has some or maybe all of the same specs as an '87. It was just titled and sold as an '86.
Look at the manufacture date on the sticker in the driver side door jam (left side in the USA) to see the date is was made.

Same is true for cars built during the last months of 1987. Some things are a little different and they are much the same as an '88 but they were titled and sold as an '87.
I know that's true for the rear shock tower strengthening gussets that started being welded into the chassis sometime during 1987.
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Which is also irrelevant, as the discussion is about an 85 versus an 87...

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