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930 ´78 vs 87

Hi 930 experts.

I would like your opinion on witch year of the model to choose.
If you are to decide witch model of the 930 to purchase and the two options are a 930 1978 usa specs. and a 930 1987 German specs.
The price and condition of the two cars are much alike.
Witch one will be your choice? and why?

All the best to all of you. TM Odsherred, Denmark

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I am pretty sure 78 930s are the rarest of all the years sold in US. I think they only sold 461 US 930s in 78. 530 in 76 and 727 in 77. 720 ROW 930s sold in 87.

That’s a tough call, both fairly rare. ROW 87 probably has better (less restrictive) emission system and more power and the interior vents are a bit better and the seats are of newer style. Being in the US, I’d probably go with the 78 for rarity if I was concerned about the investment aspect but I bet 87 might be better to drive...
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Hi Odsherred,

I'd choose the one you like the most.

If you provide more info on the two, we might be able to help you choose based on specs and condition

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The dashboard is made from upgraded material and shaped nicer in the '87. It won't swell up above the center AC duct like the 1985 and earlier dashboards do when parked in the sun for a while.

The '87 also has a bigger center AC duct and big square left and right adjustable and aim-able AC vents below the dashboard if air conditioning is important to you.
You can actually feel cool air blowing out of them when the AC is on.

The left and right AC ducts on all 911's before 1986 are a joke. They are tiny little things and don't do anything if you live in a hot climate and want AC.
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I am pretty sure 78 930s are the rarest of all the years sold in US. I think they only sold 461 US 930s in 78. 530 in 76 and 727 in 77. 720 ROW 930s sold in 87.

That’s a tough call, both fairly rare. ROW 87 probably has better (less restrictive) emission system and more power and the interior vents are a bit better and the seats are of newer style. Being in the US, I’d probably go with the 78 for rarity if I was concerned about the investment aspect but I bet 87 might be better to drive...
How rare are the '75s?
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There are a lot of differences from 1978 USA to 1987 Euro. The USA '78 has the racecar brakes and Euro engine laden with a horrible exhaust and smog equipment. Strip off the smog crap, swap to Euro exchangers and you bump up from 265hp to 300hp. I had one of those for 15 years and prefer it to the later model USA 930's. The later Euro 930 is pretty similar to it's USA counterpart. The J-pipe exhaust is better than the '78 and creature comforts improved. Really depends on what you like.
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How rare are the '75s?
Btw, I’m quoting numbers I see on Simon’s Porsche 911SC site, it shows they sold 2310 75 911S coupes, 1517 S Targa, 395 Carrera Coupes, 174 Carrera Targa for a total of 4396. These are US model numbers.
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I think he's asking about 1975 930 turbo Carrera's. I believe the number is 284 off the top of my head.

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Duh! I’m sorry, i Was thinking in terms of US models. Although, were there any 75 930s sold in US?
And 284 is what Simon’s says too.
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the 78 was badged as a 930, the 87 was badged as a 911 turbo, at least in the us.
I think the 78 will be worth more, but the later cars were a little "nicer"

what year was the G50, 88?
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Thank you for all your inputs to my Q, its much appreciated.
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the 78 was badged as a 930, the 87 was badged as a 911 turbo, at least in the us.
I think the 78 will be worth more, but the later cars were a little "nicer"

what year was the G50, 88?
Not trying to be argumentative, but what do you mean by "badged"? The tails of the 78 and the 87 both have the same "turbo" script on them, both VINS have the 930 designation (just in different locations within the VIN), and both owner's manuals and PETs refer to the cars as "911 turbo".

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Hi 930 experts.

I would like your opinion on witch year of the model to choose.
If you are to decide witch model of the 930 to purchase and the two options are a 930 1978 usa specs. and a 930 1987 German specs.
The price and condition of the two cars are much alike.
Witch one will be your choice? and why?

All the best to all of you. TM Odsherred, Denmark
Welcome to the board, one Dane more :-)

If you live in Denmark and want to drive it in DK, and dont have a hard-disc full of bitcoins, then the question is really a "no-brainer" if you ask me. This is due to the tax rules in Denmark. Only choice IMO is the 78, sadly.

DK has the highest car registration tax add-on in the world together with Norway. Many countries have none, Denmark adds 180% + 25% VAT on new cars, and ridiculous more when importing used cars less than 35 years of age with stable or increasing DK market price (like the 930's since last 6-7 years). Cars more than 35 years of age however are considered veterans and gets a lower fixed tax of somewhat 60% (as I recall) of original DK porsche dealer selling price added. Meaning the 930 1975 is cheapest in tax, increasing up to 1982 with highest veteran tax in 2017. If less than 35 year of age (83 upwards), simply walk away or prepare for a major DK-envey-tax-whiplash....

The 78 is veteran and "only" appr. 100-120 TDKK (appr. 15-20 TUSD) added in registration tax "veteran-afgift", + 5% added in import-veteran tax of purchase price if outside EU, and as I recall no VAT if veteran. The 87 is not veteran before another 5 years from now (and alot more expensive in original selling price in 87), and hence it would proberly either way be several hundred thousand DKK in registration tax (registreringsafgift), then plus normal import tax (10-20%? cant remember exact figure) + 25% VAT added to the purchase price to get it registered and on the street as non-veteran. A 87, with todays DK market price, I would not be surprised if it doubled your cost of purchase price to get registered for the street in DK. For the 78 you get the veteran fixed DK-love-whiplash of "only" 15-20 TUSD added on top. Most imported 930 in DK last 7 years are 1975 -1982 veteran models for that reason. Oh, and one last note, veteran tax is non-refundable if exported again out of DK, non-veteran tax is 85% refundable if exported. Dont you just love DK

If racing or showroom only, or money is no subject, then go for the one that you like most. And as Jsveb pointed out, if you provide more info on the two, we might be able to help you choose based on specs and condition. Also, if this is your first porsche, maybe consider get someone who knows porsche to help you inspect the car(s) before you decide.
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Re: badging and early years, there was never a "930" badge on the exterior. 930 was the Porsche internal model designation.

1975 US did not get the 930, only ROW (274 produced)
1976-77 US cars were badged as "Turbo Carrera"
1978-89 US cars were badged as "Turbo" (ROW 930s were always badged as "Turbo")

G50 transmission only came in 1989 for 930s
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badged may have been the wrong term.

my title for my 86 says 911 turbo, didn't the early us cars get titled as 930?
also Porsche called the early cars 930 and the later ones 911 turbo. thus the part numbers beginning with 930.xx
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badged may have been the wrong term.

my title for my 86 says 911 turbo, didn't the early us cars get titled as 930?
also Porsche called the early cars 930 and the later ones 911 turbo. thus the part numbers beginning with 930.xx


Yes mine is. That’s how the VIN decodes in the states database.

Later cars are titled as 911 turbo , 911 turbo carrera or even turbo carrera.


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There is quite a big difference in handling and character of the early 930s.

Page 67, first paragraph of car & driver jan 1986 documents in writing porsche north america changes from 930 to 911 turbo in 1986.

Car and driver also speaks of the great difference in handling and boost delivery form the 1979 930 to the 1986 911 turbo.

https://porsche930pdf.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/img_20171127_0001.pdf

Here is a link with 930/911 turbo reviews if you want the total gamut of the motoring press's impression of the 930/911 turbo was and the HUGE impact as the "first super car" over its 14 year production span.

https://porsche930pdf.wordpress.com/

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I would ignore that Car & Driver article altogether, as it does not describe how the 1987 ROW car would drive.

If cost is a factor, I would buy the earlier car, as suggested above in the post that describes the taxation in your country.

If that is not a consideration, and all you care about is how the car drives, the later car is vastly better. A ROW 930 offers a completely different driving experience to any US car. I have owned both, for decades, and I would not own a USA 930 again.
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Not trying to be argumentative, but what do you mean by "badged"? The tails of the 78 and the 87 both have the same "turbo" script on them, both VINS have the 930 designation (just in different locations within the VIN), and both owner's manuals and PETs refer to the cars as "911 turbo".
My understanding is Porsche said that after 1979 they would not longer offer the "930" in the US. So in 1986 Porsche reintroduced the car labeled a "911 Turbo".
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My understanding is Porsche said that after 1979 they would not longer offer the "930" in the US. So in 1986 Porsche reintroduced the car labeled a "911 Turbo".
That's not correct. It conflates a couple of different issues.

Porsche has fairly consistently labeled the car, the reason for its demise here in 1980 has to do with emissions laws.

It's all irrelevant the original nature of the post, anyway.

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