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Hey John, yes already split the fuel pumps/upgraded the fuses... depending what I find in the next couple of days, I might just upgrade the wiring, and run the front pump only, and have the ECU trigger a new relay for it... should still be plenty of fuel, and line size for 600 HP, and I don't think I'll be over that with the gt3582r. Any suggestion on what size wiring I could get away with if I go this route?
Hey Phillip

Here is a simple chart.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=%2fpC63orl&id=0D29784B3C062883D735463961DE804AD789C5A8&thid=OIP._pC63orlELxp_dAaOu-vMQHaEZ&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.autorewire.com%2fimage%2 famps-wire-gauge-size-chart_436020.jpg&exph=593&expw=1000&q=automotive+Wire+Gauge+Size+Chart&simid=608025263954527316&selectedIndex=3&ajaxhist=0

I believe the pumps are drawing 15 amps.

Let me know how you make out.

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Phillip,

If you can get away with one pump for your horsepower level, that's the best way, less failure points. The factory only used two pumps in series to get the pressure high enough for CIS.

I found the following graphs useful when I was laying out my fuel system:











As far as wiring goes, wiring is cheap and better to do just once, so FWIW I used 10 GA. The 044 can surge up to 20 amps on startup. I would break out the wiring to the relay and fuse and make sure I have 10GA all the way through for less voltage drop.

Battery -> fuse -> relay -> pump.
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Phillip,

If you can get away with one pump for your horsepower level, that's the best way, less failure points. The factory only used two pumps in series to get the pressure high enough for CIS.

I found the following graphs useful when I was laying out my fuel system:











As far as wiring goes, wiring is cheap and better to do just once, so FWIW I used 10 GA. The 044 can surge up to 20 amps on startup. I would break out the wiring to the relay and fuse and make sure I have 10GA all the way through for less voltage drop.

Battery -> fuse -> relay -> pump.


Great info... thanks for sharing. Philip
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Well, I have her running great.... thanks to the help from my friend Dave, and should be ready for the dyno next week. the tuner asked if I had a knock sensor installed. Has anyone experience with this type of sensor?

https://www.boschautoparts.com/en/auto/engine-position-sensors/knock-sensors
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Well, I have her running great.... thanks to the help from my friend Dave, and should be ready for the dyno next week. the tuner asked if I had a knock sensor installed. Has anyone experience with this type of sensor?

https://www.boschautoparts.com/en/auto/engine-position-sensors/knock-sensors
I use this one
https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-0261231006-Knock-Sensor/dp/B00BHHYVHS/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1447974816&sr=1-1&keywords=0261231006
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ordered one... should have it this week. https://www.amazon.ca/Bosch-0261231006-Knock-Sensor/dp/B00BHHYVHS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530998088&sr=8-1&keywords=bosch+knock+sensor+006 Going to make a appointment for the dyno, hopefully the following week... just tying up some loose ends. ;-)
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FWIW same ones I ordered awhile back.

I have nothing else to add, since mine doesn’t run yet, but definitely want to see how well you get knock sensing to work. I’ve read mixed reviews.
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FWIW same ones I ordered awhile back.

I have nothing else to add, since mine doesnít run yet, but definitely want to see how well you get knock sensing to work. Iíve read mixed reviews.
I didn't install the knock sensor, as I did not hear good things about them either... but the tuner says he has no problems setting them up to work, he says they are a good tuning tool for the dyno. I think it takes part of the guess work out of the equation on his end.
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bath before the dyno... tomorrows the day. anything I should be taking? I have oil, plugs, tools, extra can of gas.

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Nice job on getting it ready to go, bet the results will be impressive! Almost the same as my build and it's running great.
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Nice job on getting it ready to go, bet the results will be impressive! Almost the same as my build and its runs great.
any idea/estimate what numbers your build is putting out?
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Haven't had it on the dyno yet so its hard to say. However, comparing it to the last CIS 930 I had on a chassis dyno that was putting down 375 this feels much stronger in every aspect.
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Any update on dyno Phillip?
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Any update on dyno Phillip?
Hey John, we were making some good numbers, but ran out of time... have to re schedule for next Thursday to complete...




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I just read your sig and see we have near identical engines.

I have a larger turbo, but you have Xtreme manicured heads and meth.

Anticipating your numbers! GL!
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We had a few glitches tonight, but ended up with a conservative tune... I don't think the HP/torque numbers are any higher with the MS, than they were with SDS ECU I removed, but the fuel mileage is definitely better and the all round starting/idle is better
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Wow nice numbers Philip!! If you're ever passing thru Oshawa please take me for a ride!
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We had a few glitches tonight, but ended up with a conservative tune... I don't think the HP/torque numbers are any higher with the MS, than they were with SDS ECU I removed, but the fuel mileage is definitely better and the all round starting/idle is better
Hey Phillip
Did you have the meth injection activating?
Good numbers. Whatís your ignition table look like?

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