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930: Faster than contemporary race cars?

I was reading through the initial issue of 000 magazine--the article regarding the two (flat-8 powered) 914S prototype cars built by Porsche. In one paragraph, the article discussed the experiences of one of the key 914S development engineers/drivers, Hans Clausecker. Apparently Clausecker serendipitously was enlisted as the official driver for the safety vehicle (the one carrying the race doctor to accident scenes) for 15 years of sportscar races. He was asked which of the cars was his favorite to drive in that capacity.

His reply: "The 3.3-liter 911 Turbo was the best...The speed was so high. At Le Mans in 1980, BMW had their junior driver Marc Surer, Eddie Cheever, and Manfred Winkelhock drive a 3-series BMW, and I was quicker than them...Road tires of course--we had to get there in the first place over public roads."

Even if the BMWs were production-based 320s, it's hard to imagine a stock road car (like the 930) would be faster than a factory-built racecar shod with slicks.

Edit: A quick Googling shows that the BMW had only a 1.8 liter motor good for about 100 HP in US trim. Still, it's funny to think of a pace car/safety car being faster than some of the cars actually doing the racing.

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Before I bought my 78 930 I owned plenty of go fast cars at least I thought they were.The only other car that was comparible in stock form was my brothers Buick Grand National the problem was it was only fast in a straight line.I really can't think of a car that could beat the 930 back in the day.

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On or off the race track unless they were modded.

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Noah...that's interesting. I've never knew about that story. Thanks for sharing!
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930: Faster than contemporary race cars?

Their were some of the RoW early 80s 930s that apparently had 330 HP. Couple that with a non sunroof no AC option it would weigh 2800 LBS.

330 HP + 2800 LBS would make this easily the fastest supercar in the world up until the introduction of the 288 GTO.

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I used to have a Grand National as well. It was modified of course and I did a lot of street racing with it. It was a monster from a dead stop but with the set up it couldn't take a curve very well at all and never mind asking it to stop with the factory breaks. Many oh s*** moments lol.
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Yeah you will never get it to turn like a Porsche,but that straight line speed is crazy especially when you mod them.Like the 930 it doesn't take a lot to get huge power gains..I think we ran a low 13 in the quarter and that was in a completely stock G/N.

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As an aside, there was a great article in Road & Track in the late '70s regarding 930s vs race cars. They did a side by side comparison of road going 930 (early 3.0L non-intercooled I believe) with a 934 and a 935.

It's not surprising that 930s were pretty quick relative to purpose built race cars with comparatively poor power/weight ratio. But the article was an eye opener just how much faster the 934 and 935 especially was than the 930, which explains the success of those cars in road racing.

I have a physical copy of the magazine, I'll try to scan the full article sometime for those interested.

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Some of the horsepower per liter figures were eye popping for me when I read them especially when you consider the technology of the time.
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As an aside, there was a great article in Road & Track in the late '70s regarding 930s vs race cars. They did a side by side comparison of road going 930 (early 3.0L non-intercooled I believe) with a 934 and a 935.

It's not surprising that 930s were pretty quick relative to purpose built race cars with comparatively poor power/weight ratio. But the article was an eye opener just how much faster the 934 and 935 especially was than the 930, which explains the success of those cars in road racing.

I have a physical copy of the magazine, I'll try to scan the full article sometime for those interested.

I remember that R&T cover from long ago. Please do scan the article and post it if you can.
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930s are pretty quick cars, but I don't buy for 1 second that a street 930 is as fast around a circuit than a prepared race car on sticker tires. I suppose certain circuits with loooong straights it could be the case, but generally speaking...no.

My own experience and journey into track driving my modded 930, and then moving on to wheel to wheel racing in an '83 911 (naturally aspirated) and a '99 Spec Miata suggest that the race car is much much faster. Granted, my skills are improved, but I'm pretty sure I've lapped the full course at Monticello (3.6mi circuit) faster in my Spec Miata than I was ever able to in my 930. In the 911 racer, its no contest. Best lap time at least 15 seconds faster.

The very last time I had my 930 on track was several years back, I was running my Spec Miata around the circuit doing some testing (as it was new to me). Later in the day I took a friend out on the track in the 930 (Miata had no passenger seat) and nearly shat myself at the end of the big straight...930 was carrying much more speed than the Miata, but its also heavier and harder to slow down and can't carry more speed through the corner.

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