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gwag 04-10-2019 06:30 PM

Here are some updates.......engine coming together.......going to dyno soon........http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1554949580.jpg
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gwag 04-10-2019 06:31 PM

Going with carbon fiber shroud........


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gwag 04-10-2019 06:35 PM

Oil coolers replaced.........


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gwag 04-10-2019 06:39 PM

Engine assembled.........



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gwag 04-10-2019 06:41 PM

Engine in !!!!



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sp_cs 04-10-2019 11:40 PM

Really nice - I wish my engine builder took note in terms of pics and updates; it appeared to
Be a chore to him to let his customer know what was going on...

I’ve not seen those pistons before, nice option

shbop 04-11-2019 12:48 AM

Sure do enjoy Steven's tools.:cool:

Trakrat 04-12-2019 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gwag (Post 10299679)


Just curious... I don't see any locking tabs on the oil pump nuts? :confused:

Trakrat 04-12-2019 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gwag (Post 10299656)
Great question. Piston were essentially new so didn't want to get new but you make a good point.

You are correct that they are designed for single plug but dual plug will still have added benefits from what I understand.

Does anyone think that the wedge-dome design somehow will be 'bad' with the dual plug setup??

I was looking into doing twin plug on my 3.2, but realized the costs get rather high. Getting the heads drilled for a 2nd plug is cheap compared to finding a distributor and ECM and ignition setup to handle the added spark.


I decided to stay single plug with the same 3.4 Mahle Max Moritz design 9.8 compression P&C (my 3.2 pistons had valve slap on them and were alusil).

But also going with 964 cams, Aasco springs and retainters for higher redline.


BTW... REALLY love these pics. I wish someone would just create a video of EVERYTHING they do to build the engine.

AVI_8 04-13-2019 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Trakrat (Post 10424807)
I was looking into doing twin plug on my 3.2, but realized the costs get rather high. Getting the heads drilled for a 2nd plug is cheap compared to finding a distributor and ECM and ignition setup to handle the added spark.


I decided to stay single plug with the same 3.4 Mahle Max Moritz design 9.8 compression P&C (my 3.2 pistons had valve slap on them and were alusil).

But also going with 964 cams, Aasco springs and retainters for higher redline.


BTW... REALLY love these pics. I wish someone would just create a video of EVERYTHING they do to build the engine.

There is Trakrat
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HqTJ2lgVEKY, if the link doesn’t work search “The Canary Files” this guys documented his entire engine rebuild on YouTube
I’ll be doing the same when I rebuild my 964 engine later this year when I finally get my garage built

Walt Fricke 04-13-2019 03:13 PM

Trackrat - The legendary Carroll Smith believed locking tabs don't work. He suggested "prevailing torque" nuts. I suspect nylocs, though less positive, would do.

I'd have to look at the other case half to be sure, but maybe the nut couldn't come all the way off anyway when the case is together? Only the upper nut is subject to tension with the pump turning. The force would vary with RPM, which is a minus for the nut staying put, but maybe not really enough to loosen a properly torqued regular nut?

One doesn't hear about these nuts coming loose, though.

pkabush 04-13-2019 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Billings (Post 10297830)
Beautiful work. Make sure he turns that head around 180 degrees!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trakrat (Post 10424791)
Just curious... I don't see any locking tabs on the oil pump nuts? :confused:

Probably used wave washers and locktite

Walt Fricke 04-13-2019 08:27 PM

What do you think Smith thinks about the ability of a wave washer to add anything significant to the stretch of a fastener? To be sure, Porsche used them in some applications, like under all those nuts holding the cam carrier onto the heads.

Loctite maybe, though if Smith is right about the tabs, with the standard torque for an 8mm stud, maybe any flat washer is fine with a standard nut. The washer keeps the nut from gouging the aluminum of the pump.

chrismorse 04-14-2019 07:11 AM

Cross threading....
 
"Cross threading is almost as good as Locktight"
Anon

Quinlan 04-15-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chrismorse (Post 10426475)
"Cross threading is almost as good as Locktight"
Anon

I like to tighten it until it strips, then back it off a quarter turn

jm993rs 04-16-2019 03:59 AM

Amazing thread ..... :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

dkirk 04-16-2019 10:18 AM

Well done! Great photographic detail.

lvporschepilot 04-16-2019 02:57 PM

what size/part number are those Bosch spark plugs you're using there sir

KTL 04-18-2019 10:01 AM

Nuts in that picture of the oil pump installed are actually nyloc style like those used on the valve covers. Like Walt said, the "top-lock" prevailing torque nuts are a better choice here. Nyloc don't provide a lot of locking effect

Trackrash 04-18-2019 04:19 PM

Interesting choice to use nylocks inside the motor. Porsche never did that, and there are mechanics that recommend against it. Loctite would probably do the trick. How can locking tabs fail anyway?


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