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mike sampsel 08-28-2019 07:37 PM

Cost to change cams in 3.0 SC
 
What is a estimate of the number of hours to switch cams?
Specifically from 20/21 webcam camshafts to stock cams.

jamesjedi 08-31-2019 11:11 AM

Web Cam Racing Cams Inc. / Porsche 911 SOHC 12v

otto_kretschmer 08-31-2019 07:53 PM

I'll assume you are doing this yourself

if you have never done it before, and the motor is in the car, and you have all the tools

drop the motor, remove the old cams, install the new cams, do the cam timing, and install the motor

20 hours

this is just a guess

I replaced one of my timing chain housings a decade ago and it took a while but it wasn't overly difficult with the right tools.

jamesjedi 08-31-2019 09:34 PM

It is recommended to do rockers.

bpu699 09-01-2019 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otto_kretschmer (Post 10577864)
I'll assume you are doing this yourself

if you have never done it before, and the motor is in the car, and you have all the tools

drop the motor, remove the old cams, install the new cams, do the cam timing, and install the motor

20 hours

this is just a guess

I replaced one of my timing chain housings a decade ago and it took a while but it wasn't overly difficult with the right tools.

If you’ve done it often, I can see dropping a motor and changing a cam in 20 hours. If you have never done it, figure a year... :)

All kidding aside, I have rarely seen someone remove a car motor, for any reason, and seen the same car running within a year...

dannobee 09-01-2019 03:41 PM

If my memory serves me correctly, book time for an overhaul on a flat six was between 45 and 60 hours, depending on the model. Smogged out turbos were at the higher end of the scale. 20 hours seems generous for just replacing the cams.

Even those seasoned professionals in the know run into "...while we're in there..." so hope for the best but prepare for the worst if you're paying for the job.

The typical conversation goes like this.
"I would like the cams changed in my 911. I have my own cams and rockers"
"Ok, 20 hours labor, plus any other parts, and obviously we won't warranty those cams or rockers if something goes bad. We'll have to remove the engine and transmission. Oh, by the way, when was your last major service? What about the clutch? Does it leak oil? Does it use oil between oil changes? Do you want us to check compression and leak it down? Any problems with the transmission, since we have it out?" "And of course we'll test drive it before hand and check for unusual noises and things like that."

And so it goes. Just being honest here.

Jeff Alton 09-01-2019 05:35 PM

Book time is 11.2 after engine is removed.

Cheers

Lyle O 09-02-2019 05:38 AM

Isn’t it possible to swap the cams with the engine/trans still in the car (partial drop)?

dannobee 09-02-2019 07:10 AM

Yes, but why? Removing all 12 rockers, the cam carriers and timing the cams isn't something that I'd want to do in the car. It's really no big deal to drop the engine and trans, then put it on the stand to make everything more comfortable and easier.

Lyle O 09-02-2019 09:05 AM

Just thinking that it might be possible for the OP to save some $ with a shop if they didn't pull the motor.

boyt911sc 09-02-2019 11:43 AM

Camshaft switch........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle O (Post 10579129)
Just thinking that it might be possible for the OP to save some $ with a shop if they didn't pull the motor.



How do you expect to pull the camshafts with the motor installed. Professional shops will install the motor on an engine stand and do the work. They don’t rebuild motors squatting on the floor.

Tony

mike sampsel 09-02-2019 01:34 PM

Thanks to all for this insight. I’ve since overcome a need to do this since I’m convinced a 20/21 cam is nearly as good as stock cam from an emissions standpoint.

Since a pro told me 50 hours for a full teardown rebuild I figure 20 - 30 hours for cam change.

mikedsilva 09-02-2019 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyt911sc (Post 10579268)
How do you expect to pull the camshafts with the motor installed. Professional shops will install the motor on an engine stand and do the work. They don’t rebuild motors squatting on the floor.

Tony

That made me laugh :)


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