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bcgreen 09-03-2020 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by boyt911sc (Post 11013157)
BC,

I mentioned this subject to Pat O’Keefe’s attention when was trying to solve the oil leak coming out from the nose bearing. The key to fixing this annoying oil leak aside from opening the crankcase is to find and use the correct sealant that would adhere strongly to the aluminum surface.

The aluminum collar and the nitrile rubber plus sealant would be more complex because you have now more materials to consider. A sealant that will adhere strongly to both aluminum and nitrile. Unlike in the previous scenario, only aluminum surfaces. Have you checked with those people that have done it successfully what sealant were used?

Or try Henry’s product. The key to your success is not the mechanical approach only but heavily dependent on the sealant’s properties. Good luck.

Tony

Yesterday my sealant arrived and Yamabond is what I am using. I also found out Nitile will take temps only up to 220, so Viton takes a much higher temp.

bcgreen 09-04-2020 05:23 AM

Are the leak always coming from the bottom and not the top?

bcgreen 09-04-2020 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by burgermeister (Post 11012374)

Do you think, after I have the clamp in place, is there any point in applying sealant at the top between the clamp and nose bearing?

bcgreen 09-04-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by burgermeister (Post 11012372)
While I have had a cornucopia of engine problems and oil leaks, I have not (yet) had a nose bearing leak. So I have not fixed one.

With an O-ring compressed into the case front and nose bearing outer, the clamp ring should never see any oil (assuming this strategy works) - so the gap doesn't matter. For reference, set screws would have the same issue - there would be a gap between the nose bearing and the ring.

You should measure your nose bearing diameter to make sure the part I made fits, or otherwise verify the nose bearing is the same diameter between your engine and mine (3.2 / 3.6), before I send you the ring - no sense wasting postage! I don't have a 2.7 engine, and I am not a Porsche historian, so I cannot do this.

25 ft*lb of torque on the crank bolt will generate thousands of pounds of force. This force is applied to the front of the case via a spring (compressed rubber). It travels through the case, the crank thrust bearing, and back through the crankshaft to the pulley bolt. None of these structures is designed for that kind of force in that direction.

Assuming nothing breaks, you then secure the ring to the nose bearing. First, the clamp ring won't hold thousands of pounds of force. Neither will set screws. Second, if they did, the force holding the rubber compressed would be from the case into the nose bearing and then nose bearing to the ring. The nose bearing to case interface is not designed for axial loads - all you've got is a little 5mm pin in soft aluminum, and maybe some friction. Something will move. Collateral damage may, or may not, result.

So far I have heard from Rick Cabell who says: 62mm, Nose bearings are the same from 65-77
Ed Mayo from PCA says 62.058 mm.

burgermeister 09-06-2020 05:45 PM

bcgreen, I think the only place sealant is needed is between the O-ring and the case. If oil gets past that, then another approach is needed.

I don't know what yamabond is. I would suggest curil-T because 1) it seals quite effectively 2) it is used around the nose bearing O-ring per Wayne's book, so it is compatible with all materials in the interface, and 3) it is completely reversible (just wipe off with alcohol; takes a while, but it will come off). Anything that sticks & cures, especially if it is an epoxy, is not readily reversible without engine disassembly.

The protruding part of the nose bearing measures 60mm for my 3.2, which is the dimension that matters for your project. The diameter of the bearing portion is 65mm, checked with a caliper, not a mic - but that is somewhat irrelevant.

Do you need a ring & washer for pressing the clamp ring into the case, or do you have suitable parts available?

bcgreen 09-06-2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by burgermeister (Post 11016799)
bcgreen, I think the only place sealant is needed is between the O-ring and the case. If oil gets past that, then another approach is needed.

I don't know what yamabond is. I would suggest curil-T because 1) it seals quite effectively 2) it is used around the nose bearing O-ring per Wayne's book, so it is compatible with all materials in the interface, and 3) it is completely reversible (just wipe off with alcohol; takes a while, but it will come off). Anything that sticks & cures, especially if it is an epoxy, is not readily reversible without engine disassembly.

The protruding part of the nose bearing measures 60mm for my 3.2, which is the dimension that matters for your project. The diameter of the bearing portion is 65mm, checked with a caliper, not a mic - but that is somewhat irrelevant.

Do you need a ring & washer for pressing the clamp ring into the case, or do you have suitable parts available?

Well Yamabond arrived last week. I guess I could get some curil.
These statments from a posting of whether to use Sikaflex or Yamabond.
"Yamabond is actually three-bond if you go to the three bond site you’ll find all the info you need. Been using three bond for many years on various motorcycles et good stuff."

"Yamabond never hardens completely and if it's good enough to seal 2 stroke case halves together I think it will do the trick."

I think I would need that ring and washer for pressing.

burgermeister 09-06-2020 06:27 PM

I'll make a ring & washer for you to use. I will get them in the mail this week.

bcgreen 09-06-2020 06:30 PM

So you don't need my particular bearing diameter?

burgermeister 09-07-2020 01:29 AM

In the nose bearing thread, the minor diameter was posted as 60mm ... I imagine that is the part that sticks out of the case, and it matches my bearing. Trying to avoid you sitting there waiting on parts lost in the postal service morass.

bcgreen 09-07-2020 05:24 AM

Don't mind waiting as there is the interior that I am finalizing as well.


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