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Jameel 12-27-2021 07:41 AM

Tensioner bore through chain cover specs
 
I'm fixing an oil leak where the oil line feeds my right side tensioner. It's not leaking at the banjo fitting, but where the tensioner comes through the cover. The bore in my chain cover is not very smooth, so I don't think the o-ring is doing its job. Also, the o-ring for these seems like its not quite large enough. It's pretty much the same size as tensioner boss, so, no real squish factor. I want to clean up the bore in the cover, but don't want to make the hole too large. So that bore spec would be useful.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1640623310.jpg

hcoles 12-27-2021 08:47 PM

When I rebuilt the top of my motor I noticed the fit was, I thought, too loose with the O ring supplied in the VR kit. I installed a slightly bigger O ring. Experts can chime in .... O rings can be "pinched" say 25-35%. Too much and they fail in compression during the install, too little and they may leak. Your picture shows a mating hole will not compress that O ring much if any.

john walker's workshop 12-28-2021 07:55 AM

A smear of Dirko helps. Yes, we need better o-rings.

Jameel 12-28-2021 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john walker's workshop (Post 11558829)
A smear of Dirko helps. Yes, we need better o-rings.

Thanks John.

dannobee 12-28-2021 09:08 AM

That o-ring is too thin. When machining stuff for o-rings, it normally calls for the o-ring to stick up 20-25% over the depth of the groove, so that there's adequate compression of the o-ring. That doesn't even look anywhere close to that. More like 5% over, if even that.

There's a Parker-Hannifin O-Ring handbook that's like the bible for everything o-ring related.

https://www.parker.com/Literature/O-Ring%20Division%20Literature/ORD%205700.pdf

boyt911sc 12-28-2021 10:31 AM

Better o-Ring fitment.......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameel (Post 11558004)
I'm fixing an oil leak where the oil line feeds my right side tensioner. It's not leaking at the banjo fitting, but where the tensioner comes through the cover. The bore in my chain cover is not very smooth, so I don't think the o-ring is doing its job. Also, the o-ring for these seems like its not quite large enough. It's pretty much the same size as tensioner boss, so, no real squish factor. I want to clean up the bore in the cover, but don't want to make the hole too large. So that bore spec would be useful.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1640623310.jpg


Jameel,

For better sealing, use a M1200-200 (12-mm x 2.0 mm) Viton or FKM o-rings for your Carrera hydraulic tensioners. As you had noticed, the OEM o-ring is a little bit undersized. Do some measurements:

ID of the bore on the chain housing cover for the tensioner = 16 mm.
OD of the groove section where the o-ring sits = 12.5 mm.

A 12-mm x 2-mm installed on a 12.5-mm OD shaft would have a resultant OD = 16.5 mm. Just right for the 16.0 mm bore on the chain housing cover. I had done some troubleshooting in the past to correct the oil leak. It is critical that the mounting surface on the tensioner where the 8-mm banjo and crush washer sit is flat and smooth.

Tony

Jameel 12-28-2021 03:15 PM

Great info Tony. Thanks! I'm going to hunt down some of those rings after I measure up. Also will make sure the flat on the tensioner boss is flat.

Jameel 12-28-2021 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannobee (Post 11558905)
That o-ring is too thin. When machining stuff for o-rings, it normally calls for the o-ring to stick up 20-25% over the depth of the groove, so that there's adequate compression of the o-ring. That doesn't even look anywhere close to that. More like 5% over, if even that.

There's a Parker-Hannifin O-Ring handbook that's like the bible for everything o-ring related.

https://www.parker.com/Literature/O-Ring%20Division%20Literature/ORD%205700.pdf

Thanks for this. That pdf is good reading.

mikedsilva 12-28-2021 04:20 PM

Is it of any value to use some Curil T around that o ring, when installed the timing cover?

So far I have not had one of these leak. I do agree that the o rings supplied in the WR kit look a little skinny, but for me they have worked so far. I don't think the o ring here needs that much tension- it is not under pressure such as the case through bolt o rings. Or am I mistaken?

john walker's workshop 12-28-2021 05:26 PM

Seen plenty of them seeping there. A simple application of sealer saves having to deal with leaks later.

Walt Fricke 12-28-2021 05:59 PM

There probably is very little oil pressure on those O rings. However I once had a tensioner go bad (the valve on the top of the tensioner blew off), so I replaced at the track with a non-pressure fed one, and stuck a plastic cap into the now unused hole in the chain box cover. Worked, so I got lazy and didn't do a real fix. Next event the plug blew out. Lots of oil blew out. Certainly enough pressure to cause a weep if there is an opening, however small.


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