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Discseven 02-10-2023 09:12 AM

3.2 Head sealing
 
There's no gasket on 3.2 head and I find it hard to wrap my head around that.

Does anyone use ANY kind of sealant between the cylinders and heads here?


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676052195.jpg

Heads were machined. (By a Porsche specialist, shop that does Singer's heads so they should know what they're doing.)


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676052173.jpg

Cylinder tops are not.

Want to be at peace matting these surfaces with nothing between... or adding a sealant if that's a proven "upgrade."

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Flat6pac 02-10-2023 11:17 AM

Just follow the torque specs and they seal
Bruce

gled49 02-10-2023 11:19 AM

I believe there is a slight angle machined into the cylinder top sealing surface that creates the sealing pressure.

Zuffenwerker 02-10-2023 12:38 PM

No sealant. There are a few options for sealing rings that require machining. Back when the 3.2 first came out there was a problem with leaking between the cylinders and heads. The dealer was installing new pistons and cylinders to fix the issue. Not sure what was different about the cylinders but pretty sure there was still no gasket

Neil Harvey 02-10-2023 02:30 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676070934.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676070934.JPG


Something like this. Have done this for many over the years. Second photo Turbo engine with years of running.

mikedsilva 02-11-2023 12:40 AM

https://i.imgur.com/6esk95t.jpg

stownsen914 02-11-2023 05:04 AM

So if cylinder top surface is machined to true, does it get machined flat, or with .0016-.0032" of taper?

Zuffenwerker 02-11-2023 05:39 AM

Does anyone know if LN Nickies have this same sort of raised edge for sealing? I’m asking because their cylinders do not have any provision for a CE ring like the 3.2 we’re discussing. However they machine their cylinder tops (probably just followed Porsche) they seal great.

Discseven 02-11-2023 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 11920097)

Am going to check the .04 - .08 mm spec on every cylinder. Post what I find next week.

Appreciate the input all. Mike, thanks for positing image. What document is that page from? I'd like to get that whatever doc it is.

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mikedsilva 02-11-2023 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discseven (Post 11920514)
Am going to check the .04 - .08 mm spec on every cylinder. Post what I find next week.

Appreciate the input all. Mike, thanks for positing image. What document is that page from? I'd like to get that whatever doc it is.

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I took a photo from a friends Bentley Manual for the 3.2 Carrera. We were discussing it just the other day. He puts his cylinders in his lathe and makes sure they are all exactly the same.

Neil Harvey 02-17-2023 06:53 AM

Our latest sealing system for the larger bore 2V engines uses a gas filled ring. Under temperature it increases its internal pressure and seals. We have been using these rings for many years on the water cooled Turbo engines.

They do require a back up ring to support them. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676648828.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676648828.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676648828.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676648828.JPG

Discseven 02-17-2023 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 11920785)
I took a photo from a friends Bentley Manual for the 3.2 Carrera. We were discussing it just the other day. He puts his cylinders in his lathe and makes sure they are all exactly the same.

Thanks for Bently note Mike. I just put a straight edge on my cylinders. Didn't measure it but the angle is there.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1676665078.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Harvey (Post 11925844)
Our latest sealing system for the larger bore 2V engines uses a gas filled ring. Under temperature it increases its internal pressure and seals. We have been using these rings for many years on the water cooled Turbo engines.

They do require a back up ring to support them.

Gas filled heat expanding rings. That's some technical thinking Neil! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat6.gif

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