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porschedude996 08-02-2023 03:51 PM

What Type of Cylinders does a 911SC / 1983 USA
 
Hello, did Porsche use multiple types of cylinders for SC's?

Trackrash 08-02-2023 04:02 PM

Yes. either Mahles which are nikasil plated, or by Kolbenschmidt (KS) which are unplated Alusil. Mahles have 11 fins, and Alusils 10 fins.

porschedude996 08-03-2023 08:21 AM

Ok, I know i’m opening an old can of worms. I checked and mine are 10 fin. So that makes them Aulsil. There is no ring ridge and the bore surface has a strange almost clear anodized look to it. Not what i’ve ever seen. I see posts that say don’t even take the pistons out of the cylinder, to they can be reringed. Unfortunately I did not perform a leak down test, nor a compression test. I could do a top of the bore and a bottom of the bore leak down test on one bank since the rockers are removed. That would give me a general idea of the next steps. in addition I have cover plates on the ports, so I would be testing the rings only.

A penny for your thoughts.

porschedude996 08-03-2023 09:53 AM

I just performed a leak down test on one bank and they were 82/100, 90/100, 85/100 with the pistons at the bottom of the stroke. I then did the test at the top of the stroke and came up with the same. I did hear leakage around the spring seats. I have sealed cover plates on the heads and the leakage was on the intakes. Sounds like the valves are not sealing properly. With a cylinder head rebuild the numbers should come up dramatically.

safe 08-10-2023 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porschedude996 (Post 12059391)
Ok, I know i’m opening an old can of worms. I checked and mine are 10 fin. So that makes them Aulsil. There is no ring ridge and the bore surface has a strange almost clear anodized look to it. Not what i’ve ever seen. I see posts that say don’t even take the pistons out of the cylinder, to they can be reringed. Unfortunately I did not perform a leak down test, nor a compression test. I could do a top of the bore and a bottom of the bore leak down test on one bank since the rockers are removed. That would give me a general idea of the next steps. in addition I have cover plates on the ports, so I would be testing the rings only.

A penny for your thoughts.

the best test is with a magnet since the nicasil is slightly magnetic and alusil is not.

safe 08-10-2023 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porschedude996 (Post 12059510)
I just performed a leak down test on one bank and they were 82/100, 90/100, 85/100 with the pistons at the bottom of the stroke. I then did the test at the top of the stroke and came up with the same. I did hear leakage around the spring seats. I have sealed cover plates on the heads and the leakage was on the intakes. Sounds like the valves are not sealing properly. With a cylinder head rebuild the numbers should come up dramatically.

Are you sure you were at tdc for each cylinder?

Jeff Alton 08-10-2023 11:43 AM

Sounds like BDC....

porschedude996 08-11-2023 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by safe (Post 12064829)
Are you sure you were at tdc for each cylinder?

Ah, bottom of the stroke would be BDC. I tested both top and bottom.

safe 08-12-2023 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porschedude996 (Post 12065898)
Ah, bottom of the stroke would be BDC. I tested both top and bottom.

You need to be at TDC top of the stroke on compression, otherwise the valves are open...

porschedude996 08-12-2023 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by safe (Post 12066027)
You need to be at TDC top of the stroke on compression, otherwise the valves are open...

Thank you for that, but I know that the valves would be open if the engine was fully assembled. At the point of my writing my question here, I was already committed to a full disassembly but wanted the data point.

I had my cams out and cam towers removed. All the valves were closed. I first performed the test at bottom of stroke (BDC) because I didn’t have the front pulley on to control the movement of the crankshaft when air was applied during the test. After that I installed the pulley to control the crankshaft from spinning. I did re-perform the test at TDC. I thought it might be a good comparison to see the difference across both ends of the cylinder. Maybe see some ring gap closure, thus diminishing the leak-down losses. Maybe account for differences because of bore taper.

In another post I was talking about the conditions found in my engine and the tests performed. Some of it bled here. My question here was only to find out about 1983 911SC Cylinder types.


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