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dennisv 01-03-2024 02:35 PM

Head Studs Coating
 
Did the original steel head studs not have any form of protective coating? I cleaned the ones I pulled off our engine. Didn't appear to be plated. Within a couple hours some surface rust started to form. I brushed it off and lightly coated them in oil for the time being. Not sure what the long term solution should be.

jess p 01-03-2024 04:15 PM

Not sure about the original ones but I’ve bought new head studs for my 2.7, 3.0 and 3.2 and they are coated.

Flat6pac 01-03-2024 05:30 PM

Original Porsche studs are non coated steel.
Bruce

Sorry for the original misprint

PeteKz 01-03-2024 09:19 PM

You didn’t say what engine. Original Steel studs usually have a back oxide coating. I like to paint them anyway. Although I haven’t personally seen broken steel studs, they do break. corrosion can cause stress concentration and cracking, so I figure a coat of engine paint can’t hurt and should help. .

stownsen914 01-04-2024 06:06 AM

I've seen early steel studs that at a casual glance appeared to be bare steel. That may well be wrong, perhaps they were oxide coated at PeteKz suggests. Or maybe the coating was worn off.

dennisv 01-04-2024 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteKz (Post 12163817)
You didn’t say what engine. Original Steel studs usually have a back oxide coating. I like to paint them anyway. Although I haven’t personally seen broken steel studs, they do break. corrosion can cause stress concentration and cracking, so I figure a coat of engine paint can’t hurt and should help. .

It's a 914-6 engine (aka 1969 911T). I could see them being black oxide. Certainly don't seem to be zinc or cad plated.

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Originally Posted by stownsen914 (Post 12163969)
I've seen early steel studs that at a casual glance appeared to be bare steel. That may well be wrong, perhaps they were oxide coated at PeteKz suggests. Or maybe the coating was worn off.

I think our case through bolts are bare steel.

stownsen914 01-04-2024 06:12 PM

Thru bolts are bare metal, yes

john walker's workshop 01-06-2024 11:16 AM

They all looked surface rusty to me, to various degrees.

Henry Schmidt 01-06-2024 01:11 PM

I love threads about head studs.
Simply put, early steel studs were heat treated before thread rolled. Hence the black appearance.
The next iteration of head stud was the gen 1 Dilavar. It was cad plated silver. If they were not baked after plating, they could have suffered from nitrogen embrittlement.
These studs were prone to breaking so Porsche decided the produce the same stud (cad plated) but added a coating of black epoxy. They still broke so for a short time they went back to the ht plain steel. Because of ensuing warranty issues they decided to try a new design Dilavar stud. This new monstrosity was an all thread/cad plated, epoxy coated stud, this one incapable of creating a truly stable head the cylinder connection. When they ended the air cooled engine, all head studs were returned to a more predictable steel alloy (all be it, heinous all thread), even in the Mezger engines like twin turbos and GT3.

mikedsilva 01-06-2024 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt (Post 12165642)
I love threads about head studs.
Simply put, early steel studs were heat treated before thread rolled. Hence the black appearance.
The next iteration of head stud was the gen 1 Dilavar. It was cad plated silver. If they were not baked after plating, they could have suffered from nitrogen embrittlement.
These studs were prone to breaking so Porsche decided the produce the same stud (cad plated) but added a coating of black epoxy. They still broke so for a short time they went back to the ht plain steel. Because of ensuing warranty issues they decided to try a new design Dilavar stud. This new monstrosity was an all thread/cad plated, epoxy coated stud, this one incapable of creating a truly stable head the cylinder connection. When they ended the air cooled engine, all head studs were returned to a more predictable steel alloy (all be it, heinous all thread), even in the Mezger engines like twin turbos and GT3.

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