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2.2t rebuild questions
Ok - about to start the teardown on my 2.2t. Looking for feedback on my choices.
Own the bible have read (most of) it! (Before somebody asks) I am aiming at a a nice touring/ street engine with good mid range - not going to spend much time over 7000rpm.so not focused on top end power. Guess hoping to get to something like 150hp Am going to do a total rebuild so: - add piston squirters - Oil bypass mod - Case savers I am inclined towards a short stroke and reuse whatever I can so thinking - keep t crank - refresh t heads - double springs - bore out my iron cylinders to 86mm (have read some saying I can't and some saying no problem) - - je pistons (9.5:1) - e cams (or DC30? is this worth it given I am sticking with t crank so wont be high rev motor) - Weber 40s - was hoping to avoid adding an oil cooler - interested if you think possible with this aetup Thoughts? Thanks in advance |
Here are few thoughts highlighted in red.
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Henry wrote: “The aluminum fins will help pull the heat created by additional hp form the head. Laws of thermal dynamic tell us the heat travels from iron to aluminum not vise versa.”
That is flat wrong. The engineering field of heat transfer has established that heat always moves from higher temperature materials to lower temperature (in thermodynamic lexicon, from a higher temperature reservoir to a lower temperature reservoir). Material type does NOT affect the direction of heat transfer, only the rate. The reason for aluminum fins on Biral cylinders is to conduct heat more quickly away from the hotter cylinders to the air flow, because aluminum has a higher K value than iron—i.e., it is more conductive. That provides a higher rate of heat transfer. |
Always looking to one up the experts. It's cute AF.
The statement I made was inarticulate but correct. I should have said "cylinders" not just materials. The iron cylinder will always retain more heat than the aluminum cylinder and as soon as the iron cylinders lose their (air) cooling as in cool down mode, the heat from the cast iron cylinder will transfer to the heads. Not so with the aluminum cylinders. Heat travels from hot to cold and aluminum cylinder in the same environment as cast iron will always cool the heads better. |
Thanks for your feedback Henry - I have a lot to learn, and your comments have raised more questions for me.
The bible I jokingly referred to is Wayne Dempsey's book. I did read on this forum of somebody who successfully bored out to 86mm with no problems but I have also read a lot of folks like you who say not to, so I'll take that as a warning. Sounds like you recommend the biral anyway as they will cool better so might just bite the bullet and replace. Out of interest - why don't iron cylinders need the squirters? I appreciate they didn't have them originally but wouldn't it be a good idea to have them if I am splitting the case anyway to help cool the pistons? The Je pistons I was looking at are 9.2:1 with my crank and are actually advertised as low compression which is a bit weird given your comment that 9:1 would be a better target. I live in UK and 98/9 octane is readily available here. Is the SC pump something you think necessary? Appreciate everything helps, but I am working to a budget and wonder whether the original pump will suffice if its in good condition. So here are my take aways: - Go with new birals over original iron cyls - Add a front oil cooler Thanks again for your help |
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What we've done in the past was to have the cylinder Nikasil coated. This does three things. It allows us to control the bore size, RA factor and the Nikasil reduces friction so the cylinder runs cooler. Nikasil may also reduce heat transfer keeping the energy in the cylinder but that is simply speculation. I have no data to prove that. Of course this requires an attention to detail beyond, play and play. The ring pact is different (Nikasil vs cast iron) and piston clearance can be slightly tighter to reduce piston noise. We've had pretty good luck using Wossner pistons in conjunction with Biral barrels. Very quiet running. They make a shelf 85mm that is easy to source. 85mm is a safe bore size for cast iron and Biral 84mm. The benefit to coating the stock cylinder is that you can reuse 84mm pistons if they are still in spec and by reusing the older style Biral cylinders you can maintain the concours aesthetics. As for boring the cast 84 to 86mm: you can do it but it gets very thin. We've seen at least 2 different attempts at this modification result in cracked cylinder just above the spigot. Sometime "it woks" is simply a reflection of attention to detail or lack there of. |
I was in your shoes on my 2.2T rebuild and here's what I did:
- all the case machine work including squirters - four-rib SC oil pump - stock crank and rods - Mahle 9.8:1 S p/c's - mod-Solex cams I have zero heat issues -- in fact, the engine runs a little cool in street driving. I've tested the thermostat and used an IR temp gun and it just runs cool, unless it's warm out and you get on it for a while. Only thing I would do different is open up the intake ports. It runs up to redline just fine, but it's out of breath by 5500. I've fiddled with carb specs but I'm pretty sure it's just that the T ports are a little restrictive. It would be fun to have it really want to scream past 6k. Overall, it's not a hugely different motor than when stock. It's still slow, just with a little more pep than before. |
The crankshaft is your limiting factor ! You will not driving at 7.000 rpm with a non counterweighted
crankshaft , you can , but the engine will have some harmonics and will not be smooth in my opinion . |
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