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mattr_914 05-11-2006 08:36 PM

Bah, what a piece of crap. I'll give you 100 bucks for the setup... and I'll let you put it in my 914 for me :)

Looking good!

Porschekid962 05-11-2006 09:39 PM

timing tomorrow...
 
The long block is pretty much done. Just put some new JB weld on the chain box pins so they can go on tomorrow and I can finish timing after I am out of class. Deck height checked out the same on the right (4,5,6) as on the left (1,2,3) as well as the valve to piston clearance. As far as the coolant temp (oil) sensor location goes I got the go ahead on that location from some other builders along with Mike over at motomotions. Its the input for the ecu and not the dash.

Tonights progress was getting the heads on the right side and cam towers. Then test fit the shroud and did some trimming so it fit nicely around the ITB's and everywhere else. Going to try and sandblast the 993 heat exchangers to clean them up a bit or just hot tank them and a little wire brush action. Its pretty much smooth sailing as far as the motor goes from here on in, Need to get the motor and trans in the car this weekend so I can double check wire lengths before I cut them and shrink wrap and start hooking everything up.

Does anyone have a wire diagram for the alternator itself or simply what goes to it? I also want to discard as much of the stock wire harness in the engine bay, the two relays and the 3 fuse block. I dont think most any of it is needed at this point aside from sending the signals from engine sensors up to the dash.

Pictures for fun...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1147412298.jpg
i think it will look good....loose fitted for fitting shroud
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1147412322.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1147412354.jpg

cheers

Jeff Alton 05-11-2006 09:45 PM

Looks great, can't wait until my Jenvey's show up! What injectors are you using?

Cheers

Porschekid962 05-11-2006 10:02 PM

bosch 36lb/hr

That reminds me I still have to cut the holes for the filter baseplates for the jenveys, they looked so good without them I didnt want to put them on...

chancecasey 05-12-2006 08:54 AM

Gorgeous man, gorgeous. I went as far as cleaning the engine bay and putting new stock insulation in - and powder coated everything but the fan - but I'm so tired of seeing it in the garage I'm taking the fast track at this point.

If you ever plan on heading up to NoCal (PCH is a nice drive in a 911) let me know - I know a lot of p-car owners who would love to give your engine a nice drool-cleaning.

Porschekid962 05-12-2006 09:07 AM

I think once this is broken in I will head up 5, cut across 46, then 41 to my grandparents ranch, property whatever you want to call it. Swap oil and give a once over to all nuts and bolts, head into Paso Robles, catch the 101 north, cut over to Laguna Seca and watch some historics racing. Then perhaps head into the city by the bay by a body of water and out to tahoe then back down to LA. Who knows at this point.

Thanks everything for thinking this thing looks great. It took a long time getting everything powdercoated, plated, painted, waiting for parts to show up, shoot I still am. lI guess when your doing something a little custom things just take longer. If anything I have done can help someone else with a project they are doing let me know and I can get a little more in depth.

Have a great weekend everyone, cheers

YTNUKLR 05-12-2006 08:13 PM

Impressive stuff. I am from Pasadena, BTW. We should meet up sometime for a drive through Angeles crest or somethin'

cheers
scott

Porschekid962 05-12-2006 09:08 PM

scott where are you from in the dena? i used to love the crest but have gotten over it in years past from bad experiences with crappy road conditions ands ice late at night. I am still up for it during the day though! Got everything ready for cam timing tomorrow morning, a friend is stopping by to check things out while I try to time cams and then I am off to work, boohoo. At least they have big screens so I can watch alms all morning lol. Cheers all, have a kickass weekend.

Porschekid962 05-14-2006 04:13 PM

Ok I am at work but a little update. Got the timing done last night, going to button up the valve covers this evening. Fitted the fan shroud and getting ready to put the fan in with the new engine harness I made. Intakes are on as well. Going to pop the tranny in this week, get the motor in and finish wiring the ecu harness. Then its load the program, cross my fingers and turn the key.

Oh and 930 brakes are the next mod and possibly 16's.....then its on to my car

Porschekid962 05-14-2006 11:02 PM

update.....
 
Cam timing done, upper valve covers on, shroud still a little fitment needed, wiring to be done, fuel system to be finished and other.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1147676159.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1147676232.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1147676266.jpg
and the mad scientist at rest...

so this week is, install trans and cv's, run wiring for tach and speedo, power from battery to ecu, grounds for ecu and ignition expander, finish sheet metal on motor, install motor, finish wiring for ecu to motor, shrink wrap and add connectors, install harness, download base maps and crank it over.

Hopefully crank it over, most important to get the darn wiring on the brain right and make sure everything is hooked up properly. Once its running and broken in then its dyno time for a final tune and a trip up north. Then brakes and a little suspension work and its quits for this car, work on mine and hopefully an IROC rep...

kenikh 05-15-2006 06:28 AM

All I can say is that if I thought I could build one this quickly, my motor would be out of my car today! Congrats on the great result.

Porschekid962 05-24-2006 02:08 PM

Ok so its been quite a while. Busy with school lately and falling a bit behind on the motor. This weekend will be a marathon to get it in the car and running. What has been done since last time:

Fitted filter baseplates and air filters
Finalized fuel system plumbing
Finalized throttle linkage, cables and mounts
Installed engine tin
Put on heat exchangers and dry fitted muffler
Polished(in the process) muffler
Heater hoses, plug wires, sensors all on
Made a new engine wiring harness and kept the external voltage regulator
Installed oil breather tank
Ran power and ground for ecu and ignition expander
Ran speedo sensor wiring from trans to gauge
Cleaned up the front trunk wiring
Cleaned up and rewrapped body wire harness in engine bay (eliminated lots of unneeded wires, rewrapped it and put a different connector on for the engine harness to plug into
Put the new clutch cable in
New fuel pump and wiring
Installed trigger wheel/crank pulley and sensor

Tonight is getting the tranny in with axles, jacking the car up more and getting it ready to take the motor. Also cut the engine tin to pass the lower plug wires through. I will take some more pictures tonight and post the ones from the past week when I get home this afternoon.

Oh and getting ready to run the ecu wiring to cut it to size, shrink wrap and add connectors.

Cheers!

p.s. I am having a major brainfart, where does the alt. to case ground cable attach on the alt? I am using an external regulator Bosch unit if that helps any

kirkf 05-24-2006 08:01 PM

Great looking engine!
What did you do to the case halves? It looks very shiney and uniform in colour?

Kirk

Porschekid962 05-24-2006 10:17 PM

The case halves, cam towers, chain boxes and covers, fan, fan housing, upper and lower valve covers and other misc. bits were blasted and then powdercoated. The end result is very nice but I am not sure if I would do it again. Unless you can tape the parts up yourself or know the powdercoater extremely well the amount of cleanup after is quite time consuming. That being said the valve covers, chain boxes, fan and housing, engine tin I would do again without a doubt. Thinking about anodizing the next time around though.

Porschekid962 06-01-2006 11:02 PM

update.....
 
in the car, getting closer

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1149231715.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1149231747.jpg

thanks marco

cheers, ryder

YTNUKLR 06-01-2006 11:54 PM

S*%T!!!

Jeff Alton 06-02-2006 07:58 AM

Okay, I am going to have to bug you about the FPR you used and the fuel lines. Are those aeroquip?

Cheers

Mike Bonkalski 06-02-2006 09:42 AM

WOW! Looks great.

Catca - Its an Aeromotive AN-6 adjustable fuel pressure regulator.

Porschekid962 06-02-2006 10:20 AM

Jeff like Mike said the FPR is an Aeromotive unit. Very simple to put in just figure out where to put it and connect the hoses. I ditched the whole electrical board as you can see so keeping all the fuel bits on the left side was an easy choice.

All the fuel lines are Earl's braided stainless steel wrapped lines with AN-6 fittings. I got some adapters for the fuel accumulator and filter so I could run all braided hose in the engine bay. Next little project is running a braided line from the pump to the accumulator after the car is all done.

I got hung up a bit installing the motor though, the starter gear wasnt lining up nicely with the ring gear but once I took the starter off it went in much easier. Today is all about wiring for me. Dad is tackling the other parts that would just take time away from me wiring. Heater hoses, oil line hookup, running a power wire to the brain, tach wire, speedo wires. I cant wait to finally fire this thing up, its going to be loud because it wont be running a muffler because the bumper was notched and I havent cut the muffler exhaust holes yet. Plus I want to hear how loud it is open lol.

As soon as the wiring is done and its running I will record a short video with the camera if anyone wants to host it or hear it. Then its off for dyno tune, 930 brakes and 16's. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel at last!

Jeff Alton 06-02-2006 11:59 AM

Do you need the accumulator?

Cheers

smestas 06-02-2006 02:38 PM

Looks great!!

Are you going to bring it on the upcoming Big Bear Run?

Porschekid962 06-02-2006 07:59 PM

The accumulator will be there until the fuel cell goes in. Just extra security to assure the injectors are not starved of fuel.

What are the details on the big bear run? I will be heading to Laguna multiple times over the summer to watch races, probably the concours at pebble beach, break in runs to my grandparents and who knows what else.

smestas 06-02-2006 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Porschekid962
What are the details on the big bear run?
Big Bear Run details are in this thread:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/281117-june-17-big-bear-its-official.html

Porschekid962 06-12-2006 12:20 PM

so close
 
Its been a while but finals at school have been keeping me away. Taking breaks to work on the wiring is nice and I am about done. Just need to hookup the injectors this afternoon, run a check on everything, go through all the setup steps for the brain, load the start map and see what happens. Getting pretty excited.

mattr_914 06-13-2006 12:03 AM

bump

lets see some pictures

YTNUKLR 06-13-2006 12:21 AM

yee ha!

Porschekid962 06-13-2006 04:43 PM

at long last
 
No more wiring, no more wrench turning, no more getting dirty although I dont really mind any of those. I hooked up the laptop and started talking with the brain half an hour ago. No I can load the base map, hookup the starter and see what happens.

No leaks in the fuel system, fuel pump whirrs away happily, things are looking good for this weekend.

I will post pictures soon, just too stoked to take any now because I can program this finally!

Plus, we have all seen motors in cars, nothing new there lol

cheers

Jeff Alton 06-13-2006 05:02 PM

Very cool, can't wait to see a pic of the motor running!

If you get a chance I would love to know what injectors you are running and see a pic of your fuel line routing, both to the rails and back to the return line.

Thanks again for you help on this stuff!

Cheers

Jeff Alton 06-13-2006 05:06 PM

Ooops, looked at the whole thread again and don't need the pics, would still like to know the injectors though!

Cheers

Porschekid962 06-13-2006 05:53 PM

bosch motorsport 280 155 868

Porschekid962 06-15-2006 07:59 PM

Ok things are looking good, just a slight issue with the clutch cable. Who here can host or post sound and or video? Its coming soon, oh and the Autronic software does a rough calculation of horsepower, should be interesting...

Jeff Alton 06-15-2006 08:09 PM

Fire it up already!!!!! :)

Cheers

Facey 06-15-2006 09:21 PM

Hey!!! fellow youngster with a car way to nice for what we've actually acomplished in our lives..(assuming)!

very nice build up!

however i am wondering how it is 3.3L? if your using the stock crank it should be just under 3500cc's....
[(stroke)x(pie)(bore/2)^2]x6

as i'm also using 100mm P&C's in a 3L case, and i beleieve my stroke is 73.x (x~6 guessing)... so it'll be 34xx~3.5L...

if yours is 3.3, then your stroke is around 70mm.... and u should rev like a freaking bat outta hell (i plan to also)..

it'll be interesting to compare our number when the time is done. as i to am using twin plugs and crank fireigntion. the differance is in the CR...i will be higher ... around 12:1, our headers (B&B here), and the biggest differance (maybe aside from stroke) is that i'm using carbs (46mm weber IDA's with 46mm intake ports and 43mm exhuast)... i too am running a M&K muffler setup, but a different model..

i'm jealous of your engine bay bling...however i recently invested in a new porsche black sound pad...as these engines are loud!

have u added any oil coolers to the car? i'm willing to be our cars begin to be a whole lot different after the engine....if u consider them similar...lol

-what are u studing in school? i'm assuming your in university, though it is high school exam time also...

anways...great thread...sorry for the semi-hijack just extremely interested.

oh and i love your shroud and fan!!! i have gone a vintage 50/60's masserati/ferrari style finsh.... but your will always get more attention!


edit: forgot to mention that our cars base was similar also, i am in a 75 911s....kinda....lol... cheers!

Jeff Alton 06-15-2006 09:33 PM

3.0 crank and 100mm cylinders is right around 3.3 liters. You get a 3.5 when you use a 74.4 3.2 crank (or 3.3)


Cheers

Porschekid962 06-15-2006 10:21 PM

mechanical engineering here in the states then off to cranfield in the UK for motorsports engineering. the car has a well sized setrab cooler in the front bumper, getting turbo brakes and 16 fuchs soon, along with fuel cell and brake booster.

dont worry jeff I will. wired up the starter tonight, double checked all I/P and O/P on the brain again, funky problem with the fuel pump, clutch cable is getting hungup somewhere and wont return properly. Im thinking with the car jacked up the way it is the pickup in the tank isnt getting any fuel, going to drain it and add good stuff tomorrow. Cant wait to get home from my final lol.

azasadny 06-16-2006 06:48 PM

Absolutely unbelievable! Great work! I wish my engine looked like that...

Jeff Alton 06-17-2006 12:55 PM

Ryder, are you using a map sensor on this setup? If so, did you use a vacuum manifold and run each intakes vacuum source to it?

Cheers

Porschekid962 06-17-2006 07:26 PM

I went back and forth on that for a while Jeff. The autronic brain has an internal map sensor which is pretty slick. For now though I am not using map at all. Its all TPS and crank sensor with an 02 sensor and temp sensor. I can hook it up later if I want but most likely wont. A friend of mine is just finishing up a 3.8 with Jenveys and they are running the map sensor, each TB has a hose coming from it feeding a small plenum to smooth intake reversions and give a truer reading. From there it gets plugged into the MAP sensor.

If you have them already, take some time with the jenveys getting each throttle plate balanced. I put mine together and then fiddled with each side making sure they move in unison. Then once I had them on the motor I spent a lot of time with it on the stand getting the two sides balanced and working in unison, just a heads up.

Jeff Alton 06-17-2006 09:40 PM

Got them today!!! Need to trim the shroud a wee but to clear the manifolds but should not take too long. I hear you about the linkages. What filters do you have? My setup came with the PiperCross ones and I am a little worried they may be too tall!

My ECU has internal map as well, but I may just do like you are doing for now and see what I think........

Cheers

Jeff Alton 06-27-2006 05:49 PM

Ryder, where did you get the adapter to go from the stock pressure (feed) fuel line to the -6 stuff? I believe it is a 14x1.5 male thread on the line on the car.

Cheers


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