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Brain dyno - trying to decode lobe centers and durations into HP
I was just looking at a post on the Early S Board from a 906 engine owner. His car, running the same ‘69S heads as mine, using 906 cams, returned 210 HP on a dyno at 7800 RPM. My car is a 2 liter S that is being seriously tarted up.
I just bought some cams from camgrinder that met the drivability and rev range characterstics I gave him to work with. I am trying to use the brain dyno to figure out how much power to expect on top of the power band. I am not concerned about anywhere else in the rev range, as these cams are going to make significantly more HP and Torque sub-4000 RPM than 906 cams due to having very fast ramps. Looking at the 906 cam, it generates significantly less lift than the custom DC44: 906= .463"I/.460"E DC44= .490"I/.490"E The 906 runs on a lobe center of 96 vs. the 102 of the DC44. The 906 runs durations of: 290I/262E @ .040" and 283I/255E @ .050" The DC44 runs durations of: 264I/254E@ .040" and 258I/248E@ .050" Since top end HP is essentially a function of how much and how fast you can get air into the motor, I am wondering if anyone with more experience than me has a guess as to how much HP this motor is going to make at 7800 RPM on the DC44 cam, using the 906 info as a baseline. A real dyno run will come at a much later date. Thanks! |
BTW, assume the same CR.
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Kenik:
Before I'd venture an educated guess, more information is required. Heads: stock '69S ones? Stock-type heat exchangers? Muffler? '69 MFI? Twin-ignition? CR? Answer all that and I'll offer something based on similar combinations. |
Stock HEs for now; eventually going to headers by George
Muffler is stock for now; something VERY special later (assume megaphones, coupled with the above headers) '69S MFI Twin plug: 10.3 - 10.5:1 Feel free to email me on the "muffler" if you are curious. :D |
George's headers are too short for these motors,...... :)
Megaphones without a crossover kills bottom and mid-range manners. The effects are exacerbated by longer duration cams. Any other internal mods? Boattailing? Knife-edged crank? |
George's headers are too short? I was assuming he could make them to spec. Let's assume a crossover pipe; since the new exhaust is going to custom fabricated, all is possible.
I wasn't planning on boat tailing or knife edging this motor. |
George makes one length in these 1.5" headers but he does do a custom version for us, exclusively. You can use his standard one, but you give up some mid-range power.
All in all, I'd expect somewhere around 190-195 HP if you have good flowing heads. |
Sounds like I will be buying my headers from you then. :D Thanks for the feedback. It is actually almost exactly what I hoped.
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Let me get you a copy of the dyno overlay that shows the HP/torqu differences between the short (normal) and long-tube headers on some 2.0 litre race motors that are configured closely to what you are building.
You'll see what I mean,....:) |
Sweet! I can't wait!
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This matter of headers is interetsting, Steve.
I'm assuming you are using 1 1/2 inch pipes? I wonder whether , with somewhat more rev-oriented cams, eg DE 60's, 1 5/8 with shorter pipes may give a little more in a racer? Also must decalre an interest! Kind regards David |
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Yessir,....these smaller engines; 2.0-2.2-2.4, prefer 1.5" pipes. Larger diameter pipes simply kill the low & mid-range power without a payback on top (above 6.5K) and they generate uneven A/F ratios which can be observed in the AFR plots. The torque curve mirrors the A/F curve so as mixtures vary, so does torque. IMHO, larger but shorter primaries do not pay dividends. There is a possibility that some kind of stepped header might work pretty well too, but that would require some detailed and lengthy dyno tests to prove that. :) |
Great advice, Steve.
I will pm re headers. Kind regards David |
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