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ZOA NOM 02-26-2007 02:54 PM

Totally lost with the seal kits
 
How in the hell do you figure out which O-ring or washer is which when you get a half dozen bags of assortments within a larger package?

I'm driving myself nuts trying to match all these different pieces to the pictures in Wayne's rebuild book, and it just seems to be an endless pit of despair. The numbers on the "assortment" bags are apparently Victor Reinz part numbers, and don't cross to anything in Pelican. I'm left with looking at the Appendix in the rebuild book, and sifting through all the tiny packets to see if anything sorta looks like it, and if the number required matches the number I can locate throughout all the packets I have.


Wayne, put the kits together with all the pieces that are shown in the rebuild book Appendix. This is a mess.

BURN-BROS 02-26-2007 04:43 PM

Go ahead and organize all the pieces, then post some pics of the items you are having problems with. It may seem like a bunch of bananas but its not that bad once you have squared away the easy stuff.

911pcars 02-26-2007 04:54 PM

It's easier if you can group them by size, then count how many you have which should match whatever needs to be sealed (e.g. crankcase through bolts/nut need, what, 24 O-rings? I never counted).

Aaron's idea might be easier.

Sherwood

ZOA NOM 02-26-2007 05:09 PM

Good idea, I'll post pics as I go. It might be a good thread to use as a reference.

Dadofour 02-26-2007 05:45 PM

Keep in mind that the gasket kits include parts for multiple years of cars so you will have extra parts when you are done.

ZOA NOM 02-26-2007 05:55 PM

Okay, here's an example of a problem I'm having. This bag is unopened, and came out of the Victor Reinz "Head Set" kit. It appears to have several exhaust gaskets, an oil pump o-ring, and an assortment of washers. WTF?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172544719.jpg

and then there's this one that appears to have an Intermediate Shaft cover gasket, and yet more assorted washers and o-rings. It came out of the same Head Set kit.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172544857.jpg

Eagledriver 02-26-2007 06:48 PM

I think what I do is just find the gasket/O-ring that I need at each stage as I assemble the engine. When I need the O-ring for the number 8 bearing for example I rummage through the kits until I find an O-ring that fits.

I recommend buying green viton o-rings for the case through bolts. SSF has those although Pelican may, I haven't checked.

-Andy

Henry Schmidt 02-26-2007 08:00 PM

Common sense prevails in these circumstances.

Generally if it makes sense it's close enough.
You might try sorting the rings and counting them to determine their proper application.

I.E.: 2 cam feed line fittings plus 2 oil tube plugs and 2 banjo bolts with 2 rings on each = 8. Find 8 seals that fit and look the same.
8 chain ramp bolt = 8 sealing rings and so on.

ZOA NOM 02-27-2007 04:38 AM

Good advice, all. It just seems like it would be a nice feature for Pelican to group these kits in the order they're used in the book. It's my first go-around, so I'm sure the next time will be much easier.

len911 02-27-2007 08:35 AM

I usually bag and label sub-assemblies when taking things apart. Then I go back and compare new hardware with old. Breaking the new parts into same sizes and bagging them in ziplock bags should help also. BTW, I think the kits come prepackaged from manufacturer. Lou

ZOA NOM 02-27-2007 02:20 PM

That was what caused the concern initially. I did bag and label all the disassembly items, and I assumed that the new packets were pre-sorted for specific parts of the project, so I didn't want to separate a bag, thinking I was using something I would need later. It looks like I'll just have to pick through everything as I go and then order the stuff that isn't left in any packet.

mede8er 02-27-2007 04:55 PM

Uh Oh....just ordered this same kit.....

I'm subscribing....Thanks....

euro911sc 03-01-2007 05:25 AM

I noticed that Pelican sell single o rings and parts like that. A lot of them actually have pictures so you may be able to look at the catalog, see the part you should be finding, and find it in the pile of schtuff :)

At least that's what I'll be doing shortly as I'm in your shoes as well...

Best regards,

Michael

cab83_750 03-01-2007 05:47 AM

Well, count me in as "+1 Confused" as I have the 'bags.'

As recommended, common sense might help us newbies. My problem is that after 80+ hours of rebuilding an engine:

1. I go to my workbench.
2. I look into the parts tray.
3. Then I find 30+ left over parts l:eek: :D :eek:
4. Then I say, "Holly Crap!!!! Did I miss installing a critical item?":confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

dfink 03-01-2007 05:59 PM

I have laid under my car every night trying to figure out where that sump plate gasket goes that came in my kit..... :rolleyes:

euro911sc 03-02-2007 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dadofour
Keep in mind that the gasket kits include parts for multiple years of cars so you will have extra parts when you are done.
You WILL have parts left over... no matter what you are building...

-m

mb911 03-03-2007 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by euro911sc
You WILL have parts left over... no matter what you are building...

-m

yup my victor reinz kit had extra case through seals=26

so there will be extra

I think the wright-wood kits are better and in hindside I would have bought that kit instead..

cab83_750 03-03-2007 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by euro911sc
You WILL have parts left over... no matter what you are building...

-m

I would probably disagree.


I think this is actually my issue. Except for building an engine, my other project kits (such as building a crib, a workout bench, a bicycle, etc.) never have extra parts ---- everything is accounted for!

Henry Schmidt 03-03-2007 12:13 PM

Funny thing, I just built two office chairs and both kits had extra parts???

It is not uncommon in this fast food, out sourcing, one size fitting all world, that a gasket kit, even for a Porsche will be designed to fit more than one application.

That is why we only use Wrightwood Racing gasket sets. They are made for your specific application. Right down to port size and intake variations.
--

Steve@Rennsport 03-03-2007 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry Schmidt
Funny thing, I just built two office chairs and both kits had extra parts???

It is not uncommon in this fast food, out sourcing, one size fitting all world, that a gasket kit, even for a Porsche will be designed to fit more than one application.

That is why we only use Wrightwood Racing gasket sets. They are make for your specific application. Right down to port size and intake variations.
--

Right on, Henry,...:)

Wrightwood gasket sets are all we use, as well. The quality is much better than Victor Reinz and you "all-Viton" your selections, too.


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