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h20cooled7 12-10-2008 03:34 PM

exploded view of 930 wastegate?
 
anyone have one of these for a 80 930 ? parts fische link or anything? I just want to be sure i put mine back together right

beepbeep 12-16-2008 01:33 PM

Search and you will find:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219454677.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219353976.jpg

juicersr 12-16-2008 03:39 PM

Goran, great shot. Is there a way to tell what bar spring you have? Did the factory every put anything other than .8 bar spring, and did weltmeister, and other mnftrs use a way to identify springs like TIAL does? I got a used factory wastegate last year for a project, and it came with an extra spring, which the guy i bought it from wasnt sure if it was .8 or 1 bar. thanks

h20cooled7 12-16-2008 05:01 PM

very cool thank you!

beepbeep 12-16-2008 11:42 PM

Main problem is that boost is not proportional to spring tension only. A spring will deliver different boost depending on sizing of turbo, exhaust backpressure, muffler design etc.

So what was 0.7 bar spring can become 0.9 bar spring of Zork tube is fitted.

juicersr 12-17-2008 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beepbeep (Post 4365164)
Main problem is that boost is not proportional to spring tension only. A spring will deliver different boost depending on sizing of turbo, exhaust backpressure, muffler design etc.

So what was 0.7 bar spring can become 0.9 bar spring of Zork tube is fitted.

Ahhh. Is this part of the effect known as 'Boost Creep?'

beepbeep 12-19-2008 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juicersr (Post 4365212)
Ahhh. Is this part of the effect known as 'Boost Creep?'

No, it's just that exhaust gases will find it easier to escape trough wastegate if backpressure trough turbo is higher. They take path of least resistance.

Boost creep is when wastegate is too small to scavenge gases even when fully opened...so boost starts to raise at higher revs. This is usually not an issue with 930 wastegate as its valve is big enough.

lucittm 12-22-2008 10:49 AM

Juice,
I take full credit for those pictures that Goran unashamedly posted. The second one was the pinched diaphragm from the PO's mechanic. That necessitated the rebuild shown in the first picture.

One more thing, the gasket between the cast iron valve body and the aluminum valve guide section is no longer available and when it tears upon disassembly, you will be OOL.

Mark

beepbeep 12-22-2008 04:19 PM

I'm sorry for not giving correct credits, I just searched for "wastegate picture" and pasted the picture URL.

Rasta Monsta 10-05-2010 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucittm (Post 4374499)
One more thing, the gasket between the cast iron valve body and the aluminum valve guide section is no longer available and when it tears upon disassembly, you will be OOL.

Old thread I know. . .this still the case? Alternatives (other than junking the WG)?

johnman001 10-05-2010 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasta Monsta (Post 5599336)
Old thread I know. . .this still the case? Alternatives (other than junking the WG)?

I bought ultra-high temperature, very thick gasket material from McMaster Carr and made my own gasket for the NLA one. It worked fine.



I do, however, like the TiAL WG that is a direct replacement.

brettm69 10-06-2010 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucittm (Post 4374499)
Juice,
I take full credit for those pictures that Goran unashamedly posted. The second one was the pinched diaphragm from the PO's mechanic. That necessitated the rebuild shown in the first picture.

One more thing, the gasket between the cast iron valve body and the aluminum valve guide section is no longer available and when it tears upon disassembly, you will be OOL.

Mark

Why not use some generic 'sheet' gasket & a sharp X-ACTO:confused:

Also, I believe it's SOL, not OOL:D

Brett

Rasta Monsta 10-06-2010 11:54 AM

It's not paper, it's about 1/8" thick asbestos, and needs to be airtight or you'll have an intake leak.

johnman001 10-07-2010 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasta Monsta (Post 5600816)
It's not paper, it's about 1/8" thick asbestos, and needs to be airtight or you'll have an intake leak.

Who said anything about paper?

Extra high-temperature gasket material (yes even 1/8" thick) is available in sheet form. It may be expensive, but it is available. It works well.

Rasta Monsta 10-07-2010 05:43 PM

Well, I just started exploring McMaster's website a couple of nights ago, and I clearly have some learning to do about materials.

FWIW, Andial have a few of these left, so I bought one. . .figure it will be good for another 40 years.


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