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rluciano 07-17-2010 01:04 PM

Injection Timing Question and Ignition timing too
 
I'm getting pretty deeply into tuning my newly rebuilt engine.

First what is it:

1982 SC block with 100mm Nickies, JE Pistons (10.05:1 compression ratio as cc'd)

Heads: '82 SC heads twin plugged Supertec valve springs, Ti retainers, 36 mm ventiport inserts, new valves and guides.

Stock rods with ARP rod bolts

Hargett ITBs with 46mm butterflies, Ford Motorsport 39lb/hr injectors, Toyota Tundra COPs, SSIs and a Monty 2 in 1 out muffler.

Cams- DC 60 with 106 lobe centers.

EFI- MoTeC M800

Now my 2 questions:

1. The MoTeC allows me to specify either the time fuel injection begins or ends in degrees BTDC. I bought the MoTeC used and the program that was in it had injection ending 320 degrees BTDC. That seems awfully early to me. I moved to 270 degrees at idle to 200 at 7500 rpm redline. I think I could keep going closer to TDC: maybe 250 at idle to 160 at redline. What do you think?

2. I had used Jamie Novak and brads911sc timing comments on their build threads, but both of them are using distributors. I have more flexibility with electronic ignition. I found these graphs on Steve Wong's website.


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My engine feels like it wants a lot more advance than I am currently running. I am running something that looked like the WOT curve from Steve, but with Jamie and Brad where they are I hesitate to go 40 degrees of advance. I'm using MAP as load I don't know what load is on the graphs on Steve's website.

Is the only thing to do spend time on the dyno? I tried going to use much as 30 degrees on the road the other day, it is more powerful, but the lambda went from 0.90 to 1.08; so I added fuel, but I worry how much timing is safe with twin plugs and 93 octane fuel and 10.05:1 compression and my DC 60-106 cam?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Richard

rsscotty 07-17-2010 04:26 PM

PM me your email address and I will get you some info.

TimT 07-17-2010 06:02 PM

How is the ignition and injection configured?

Batch fire/waste spark?

Sequential/sequential?

It makes a difference.. If batch fired injection end angle doesn't really matter..

Need to know more about fuel and ignition set up.

Being able to sit and drive against a dyno for few hours is time well spent

rluciano 07-17-2010 06:16 PM

Injection and Ignition are both fully sequential.

Adjustable FPR from Marren set to 3 bar.

Toyota Tundra (denso) COPs two per cylinder

What else do you want to know?


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