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GBStu 09-20-2010 05:18 PM

Gents,

I have my engine back together (new #3 piston and all new rings, I have about 200 mls on the engine)

I've adjusted the warm pressure to get the desired AFR, the graph below shows a couple of WOT runs I took tonight. What do you think about the graph below...specifically the AFR from 3000 rpm to 4500 rpm.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1285031568.jpg

Thanks, Stu

Steve@Rennsport 09-20-2010 05:35 PM

Were those runs done at WOT?

If so, looks too lean to me from 3K to 6K.

GBStu 09-20-2010 05:43 PM

They were WOT runs in 2nd gear.

Any idea why the AFR drops at 5600-6500 so much?? I have CIS injection.

I'll drop the WUR control pressure a couple of psi and re-run tomorrow.

Thx, stu

Steve@Rennsport 09-20-2010 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBStu (Post 5572317)
They were WOT runs in 2nd gear.

Any idea why the AFR drops at 5600-6500 so much?? I have CIS injection.

I'll drop the WUR control pressure a couple of psi and re-run tomorrow.

Thx, stu

This is pretty typical of CIS and illustrates one of the difficulties with modifying these things.

Although long unavailable, an ROW Carrera 3.0 FD & WUR would really help. You may be able to find these components with some dilgent and persistent searchs both in Europe as well as here. At the very least, an ROW early SC FD & WUR will also help.

GBStu 09-21-2010 04:36 AM

Is the fundamental issue the control pressure regulator (WUR) will not flow sufficient fuel, thus, at the higher RPM's (>5700rpm) the outlet pressure drops and the mixture richens?
Stu

tom1394racing 09-21-2010 05:46 AM

Have you tried to richen the fuel distributor itself by adjusting the mixture screw?

Porsche84 09-21-2010 06:35 AM

I had very similar issues 5 or 6 years ago. The bad news is that I ruined two motors before I found the problem. The problem was that I inadvertently closed off the gas tank vent when removing some smog stuff (track car not street in case the Feds are reading). My engine shattered the top ring on brand new euro Mahle pistos and new cylinders. You need to verify that you have a good tank vent. Check to see if the tank has collapsed, that is the first clue.

Good luck

Steve@Rennsport 09-21-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBStu (Post 5572884)
Is the fundamental issue the control pressure regulator (WUR) will not flow sufficient fuel, thus, at the higher RPM's (>5700rpm) the outlet pressure drops and the mixture richens?
Stu

The fundamental problems are that in most cases, the FD doesn't flow a sufficient volume of fuel for modified engines and the control pressure doesn't go low enough to get the most from the FD.

In some cases, we shim the system pressure (at the FD) to the top limit and use an electronically-controlled WUR to get a better handle on control pressures from cold to hot.

The stock WUR's are somewhat frustrating since its difficult to get proper AFR's without overfueling near and at idle. Its akin to squeezing balloons.

GBStu 09-21-2010 05:45 PM

Adjusted the warm pressure to 33psi, see WOT plots below. From what I've read, this seems about as good as I can expect.

What's interesting, the WUR warm pressure spec for a stock 79 is 39-43psi (no vacuum).

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1285119573.jpg

Thanks for your help, stu
PS, will be with ARPCA at Mid Ohio this weekend

Steve@Rennsport 09-21-2010 10:18 PM

Although a tad rich for making max power, that red plot ensures your engine will live provided your ignition timing isn't too aggressive for the fuel you use.

A digital WUR would allow you to fine tune that AFR curve to get best performance without compromising reliability.

KNIGHTRACE 09-22-2010 12:21 AM

set timing right, and check deck on al 6 cyls and it will answer itself.


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