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Flat6pac 08-28-2011 06:25 PM

My engine marks it's spot when it parks
 
1985 911 euro. I havent seen a euro trans in some years..so neat with the oil pump and cooler.
I had the hurricane in all day Saturday so church was closed to keep people off the roads this morning.
Started to project on the car about noon and I made good head way.
Some pictures of the removal
Bruce

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I have never seen this setup for cruise control but someone took the time.

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Flat6pac 08-30-2011 05:13 PM

I started cleaning off the shroud and injection and its always interesting what I find. Each engine has a story of its own so the pictures will tell the story...
Bruce

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Some blow by on the top of the heads, not torqued properly.

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The chain has good running clearance before the tensioner tops out.
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Flat6pac 08-31-2011 05:36 PM

Worked a little while and I managed to crack it open.
Bruce

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The intermediate shafts bearings are toast, but it is common because of the pulling up of the chains.
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Strygaldwir 09-02-2011 04:20 AM

Still the man!!!

Thanks for the review. It reinforces what to look for and how important it is to get things right.

Keith

TibetanT 09-02-2011 08:46 PM

Bruce:

What are your thoughts on re-using the bearings? They still look pretty good from these pictures, except of course for the IS bearings being down to the copper. Which is normal. How many miles on the engine?

Also, are those lower head studs steel and did they get scrapped from the bad torque on the heads? What will you do about those?



thanks

Flat6pac 09-03-2011 02:23 AM

Ed,

Flat6pac 09-03-2011 02:45 AM

Ed,
Im resealing the engine and doing a valve job. I open the case so I can tell the owner what he has. These cars have changed hands a couple times through the years and no one really knows exactly what they have, std crank, dirt in the oil, when was the last valve job done?
When the owner gets it back, he has a photo history of his engine, resealed to center case, new intermediate shaft bearings, chain rails, dilivars removed for steel, a valve job with guides as needed.
When I open the engines the owner already knows that if the bottom isnt nice, such as scored bearings from dirt, other defects that need to be answered, the additional cost will fall on him.
From the photos, this engine wasnt all it could be with leaking heads and oil dripping on the heat boxes and spotting the floor after driving.
The owner gets back the car, clean engine compartment and suspension area to the torque tube, clean transmission, and a clean, resealed engine with some wear parts replaced so he can feel comfortable with the car for the next 100K miles

Bruce

TibetanT 09-03-2011 10:08 AM

Bruce:

I understand completely.

Your customer is very lucky to have this history and peace of mind.

Flat6pac 09-03-2011 01:39 PM

I took everything out and labeled it, bagged it up to go back exactly where bearings came from. I dipped the engine in the fresh degreaser, let it dry and them out to the pressure washer.
Wound up looking good.
Bruce

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Flat6pac 09-03-2011 05:00 PM

I got the heads back yesterday and assembled them last evening. Wife took a weekend to see son and daughter in Ga. I seem to get a lot done when I m home alone and its not 100+ in the garage.
I always build the heads as a sub assemblies, ready to install with valve lash already done on the table.
Bruce

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swiftdaddyo 09-04-2011 08:13 AM

You would never know there was 133,000 miles on that engine. Looks great Bruce.

Flat6pac 09-06-2011 06:18 AM

The oil cooler has been holding the test pressure for several days so its good to go back on.
I pulled the fork off the trans to clean and lube the vertical arm and clean the trans from the picture of the engine and trans originally removed.
I ve got the trans all together and ready to go when the engine is ready.
Bruce

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Flat6pac 09-07-2011 08:49 AM

Loaded up and down to the high pressure car wash to clean the oil under the rear of the car. I have to admit, it wasnt as bad as some I have seen.
Bruce

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Flat6pac 09-09-2011 06:49 PM

Well, this afternoon I had the gasket sets and parts for this and the next engine. I persevered thrrough the early evening to get things done.
I got the P&Cs installed, the studs put in. Its easier to install the circlips with out the bottom row of studs in place. Then I installed the studs and then the heads.
I have the heads torqued and the cams timed at 1.40 each side. Thats the end of the evening in the garage.
Bruce
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Flat6pac 09-12-2011 04:31 AM

I rechecked the cam timing and valve adjustment and closed up the covers. The injectors are out being tested and rebuilt. I redid the fuel lines from the filter to the fuel rails and when the injectors come back the top will be close to finish.
Bruce

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sjf911 09-12-2011 05:44 AM

So are you using the regular "blue" o-rings that come with the set on the case through-bolts?

Flat6pac 09-12-2011 08:53 AM

Yes I use the blue. I tried the green ones and didnt care for them. Lube the blue ones on install and there is no problem.
Bruce

Flat6pac 09-12-2011 04:03 PM

Well, I m still waiting on the injectors and the powder coat paint was getting in today for the fan and housing.
Well, I got several hours in today so I m closer, Got the new flywheel sensors and HTS installed and everything in place for the injection.

Bruce
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Flat6pac 09-13-2011 04:00 PM

Todays arrival, injectors and there will be an improvement up to 6.6% over what they were. Not bad considering they are 26 years old.
Bruce

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proporsche 09-13-2011 11:11 PM

Hi Bruce
i wanted to ask you,what is it you are using for the engine case (white silicon)?

thanx
proporsche

Flat6pac 09-14-2011 02:53 AM

I use Yamabond 4 on center case.
Bruce

911 tweaks 09-14-2011 06:37 AM

Great thread here Bruce & thx for sharing your talents & wisdom... :-)
Can you tell us where you send the injectors for servicing...??
Keep up the great work...
Bob

Flat6pac 09-14-2011 10:12 AM

Last week I couldnt get to Witch hunters, their site would timeout on me. I took Bill Johnson, Mr Injector, Dalton Garden,Id, he turned them around in the week.
Bruce

Jrboulder 09-14-2011 10:45 AM

I always love these threads you post. Thanks for posting!

Jackson

GH85Carrera 09-14-2011 11:33 AM

Wow. We all know you are not the average garage DIY guy. In less that 3 weeks you have dropped the engine and split the case, done the heads & fuel injectors and the rest. I presume you are working by yourself.

Would you hazard a guess how many you have done this same basic rebuild?

Flat6pac 09-14-2011 12:02 PM

Thanks for asking but in 32 years, many times...
Bruce

Flat6pac 09-17-2011 05:48 AM

Well, The fan and shroud are back from the powder coater. If this doesnt show up in a black body I dont know what will. Get it together today, might even get the engine up in the car.
Bruce

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Flat6pac 09-17-2011 10:34 AM

now its mounted and looking good
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Flat6pac 09-18-2011 04:49 PM

Well, it keeps getting further along..
Bruce

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cgarr 09-18-2011 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 6234747)
I always build the heads as a sub assemblies, ready to install with valve lash already done on the table.Bruce

I thought about doing this but how do you hold the cams against the spring pressure or do you just set it at the low spot on the cam?

Flat6pac 09-18-2011 05:45 PM

It takes a little more to set the valve lash on the table because the heads have to be in an upright position and you have to find enough torque to turn against the rockers coming up on cam.
I ve done it that way for many years and for me it works. I can build a set of heads standing at the table and then put them up on the shelf until I need them.
Bruce

Flat6pac 09-19-2011 02:52 PM

I got the engine off the table and headed in the proper direction. The bottom is hooked up. Clutch, starter, oil lines, ground, sway bar, etc. Any way the engine is hung and the tires are on the ground.
Bruce

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GH85Carrera 09-20-2011 04:26 AM

Slight off topic question!

Bruce, have you ever seen a problem with powdercoating the fan balde. If the coating flakes off does it just burn up on the cylinders? Does it ever cause an cooling air flow restriction?

Flat6pac 09-20-2011 04:45 AM

Glen, I havent seen a problem with it. The idea of powder coat is that the color is stronger and resist chips. If the coat was to chip, I m sure it would burn off around the cylinders or get hung up on the tin under the cylinders. Of course there is always dirt and items drawn through the fan.
Bruce

madmax54 09-20-2011 05:58 PM

Beautiful work. How many miles were on this particular engine?

Flat6pac 09-21-2011 03:43 AM

133K miles but it is euro so there might be some lost in the conversion.
Bruce

Flat6pac 09-22-2011 11:35 AM

Stopped raining long enough..12 quarts of oil in the tank, cranked for some pressure, hooked up the injectors and coil and got fired up on 20/50 for the startup oil.
A couple runups for temperature and I ll check the compression.
Bruce

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Flat6pac 10-10-2011 05:56 PM

Well, Not that there is a good reason but it was time to drive the car and get a couple warm ups on the engine. That completed, its time for the compression check.
This is a euro 10.3. Recently I had done a USA 3.2 @ 9.5 CR and hit 180# all the way around. This has to be higher..
190# to 200# across the board, the top end is a success.
Bruce

Cylinder 5
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Cylinder 2
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911t Fanatic 10-26-2011 02:41 PM

Bruce that fan and shroud look awesome! Who does your work? Just kidding. Thanks
Barry


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