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TT Oversteer 03-24-2012 12:00 AM

Best valve guide material?
 
Doing a quick search of several vendors it looks like phosphorus bronze is the commonly used material for 911 valve guides. I have heard that manganese bronze are also available and better. What's the material of choice among top builders and what is the difference between these two materials?

Henry Schmidt 03-24-2012 08:46 AM

We use manganese bronze on normally aspirated street engines and phosphorus bronze on turbo and race engines.
MB is more durable and PB transfers heat better.

Beware of claims of magic/ propitiatory materials. Most are just advertizing gimmicks.
Bronzonium comes to mind as a perfect example.

TT Oversteer 03-24-2012 08:27 PM

Sounds like MB is the way to go for a mostly stock 3.2 that will see the occasional DE event. Thanks Henry.

chris_seven 03-25-2012 01:11 AM

The Heat Transfer Coefficient of Phosphor Bronze is strongly affected by its alloy content.

A 5% Tin PB material would have a typical Heat Transfer Coefficient of about 69 Wm^-1.degK^-1

An alloy with 10% Tin would have a significantly lower value of around 50Wm^-1.degK^-1

Maganese Bronze is quite different and is much more consistent at about
105 Wm^-1.degK^-1

The materials that have been designed for high performance valve guides such as Colsibro and Hidurel are Precipitation Hardening Nickel-Silicon Bronzes and have Heat Transfer Coefficient of about 190 Wm^-1.degK^-1

This is around 4 times that of the high Tin content Phosphor Bronzes.

The Colsibro and Hidurel materials have excellent strength and relatively high modulus values but possibly lower lubricity than Phosphor Bronzes.

I have priced up Colsibro in the last couple of weeks and it would be about $3.00 per guide before machining.

AlfonsoR 03-25-2012 08:02 PM

Great info Chris and Henry. Thanks..

h.wong 03-26-2012 06:33 AM

valve job
 
Henry,

Do you send your heads out for a valve job or is it done in house?

Thanks,
Harry

h.wong 03-26-2012 07:03 AM

Sorry...

just went to your website...in house!


h


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