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sojahseh 04-04-2013 01:15 PM

Head Studs
 
If I remove the heads from my 85 with 90K is it recommended that I go a few steps further and replace the head studs with new ones? Are there any others to consider, or is genuine the best bet?

I appreciate the feedback.

-matt

500_19B 04-04-2013 01:44 PM

Although seemingly not as frequent as with SC's, Carrera head studs do sometimes break. On my recent rebuild I used Supertec head studs which are phenomenal quality and not that much more than stock steel studs (assuming you would use new nuts and washers).

In your case I would definitely consider it.

tom1394racing 04-04-2013 02:38 PM

Standard practice for these engines is to replace the lower (exhaust) Dilivar studs with steel studs. Steel studs do not break in street motors.

Henry Schmidt 04-04-2013 02:40 PM

The 911SC had more head stud problems (IE: breaking) then any other Porsche engine.
They were the first production engine equipped with Dilivar and they only used them on the bottom row making the clamping force on the cylinder to head joint incredibly uneven.
Throw the Dilivar studs away and seek another solution. Of course I think Supertec studs are the best but I advise you to do your own research and come to a conclusion the fit your sensibilities including budget.

Mark Henry 04-04-2013 03:01 PM

I just ordered your studs from here and they are back-ordered?

Henry Schmidt 04-04-2013 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Henry (Post 7369164)
I just ordered your studs from here and they are back-ordered?

Every time there is a discussion about head studs on this forum, there is a rush on my studs. People hear the arguments for and against and many builders choose my studs. We don't even have studs for three engines we're building now.
For some reason, the supply of our material with certs is in short supply. Our studs will be available in about two weeks.

sojahseh 04-04-2013 03:52 PM

Do people consider the head studs to be single use? Or are they only replaced when broken?

Mark Henry 04-04-2013 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt (Post 7369230)
Every time there is a discussion about head studs on this forum, there is a rush on my studs. People hear the arguments for and against and many builders choose my studs. We don't even have studs for three engines we're building now.
For some reason, the supply of our material with certs is in short supply. Our studs will be available in about two weeks.

It's cool.
I was hoping to get it sent to my US buddy in time for hershey, but I'll just have to wait till he comes up to my place in June.

yelcab1 04-04-2013 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt (Post 7369230)
Every time there is a discussion about head studs on this forum, there is a rush on my studs. People hear the arguments for and against and many builders choose my studs. We don't even have studs for three engines we're building now.
For some reason, the supply of our material with certs is in short supply. Our studs will be available in about two weeks.

So is this a good problem or a bad problem for you Henry?

safe 04-05-2013 03:32 AM

I ordered a set of Henrys awesome studs too a few days ago, back ordered. :(

I'm a bit annoyed with Pelican for claiming to have 1 set in stock, when they don't....

Speedy Squirrel 04-05-2013 07:53 AM

If you are not going to reuse your lower studs I will by them. They are reusable and I think they are a better solution. PM me if you want to sell them.

Lapkritis 04-05-2013 08:29 AM

Yes, replace all. Plenty of decent replacement options.

Henry Schmidt 04-05-2013 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy Squirrel (Post 7370206)
If you are not going to reuse your lower studs I will by them. They are reusable and I think they are a better solution. PM me if you want to sell them.

I have a plethora of used Dilivar studs. Mostly early Dilivar.
I would not recommend that anyone use them ( in fact it's crazy) but I will sell as many as you want for $ 5/ea.

Lapkritis 04-05-2013 10:24 AM

Halves worth $2.50?

Mark Henry 04-05-2013 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapkritis (Post 7370469)
Halves worth $2.50?

I'm sure Henry will toss in a few for free if you buy a set of old Dilivar studs. ;)

sojahseh 04-05-2013 02:30 PM

Still up in the air. I am leaning toward reusing the ones in the block, provided they are still holding up.

First step for me is starting the teardown and inspect them further, see if I can make it to the goal of removing the heads without breaking any.

I'll post an update in a bit.

tom1394racing 04-05-2013 02:49 PM

At a minimum, you should replace your lower (exhaust) head studs with steel studs. The lower Dilivar studs ALWAYS break due to corrosion cracking. If yours are still in one piece, consider yourself lucky.

PM me if you are interested in a set of lower steel studs.

Lapkritis 04-05-2013 03:42 PM

Host has the lowers for $14ea in Steel by Canyon...

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Henry Schmidt 04-06-2013 04:06 AM

With all the talk about cylinder expansion rates, I wonder if it ever makes sense to run dissimilar studs on the same engine?
The 78-83 experiment with dissimilar materials was abandon in 84 and never revisited by Porsche. Just like the engine builders in the real world, Porsche engineers learned something.

No matter what studs are chosen, they should all be the same. Now the only question is, are there studs that offer superior characteristics?

chris_seven 04-06-2013 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt (Post 7371469)
With all the talk about cylinder expansion rates, I wonder if it ever makes sense to run dissimilar studs on the same engine?
The 78-83 experiment with dissimilar materials was abandon in 84 and never revisited by Porsche. Just like the engine builders in the real world, Porsche engineers learned something.

No matter what studs are chosen, they should all be the same. Now the only question is, are there studs that offer superior characteristics?

Henry,

I absolutely agree - completely crackers and having been involved in hot gas turbine test stands for years I find the concept of mismatched expansion rates of studs bewildering.

There must be all sorts of ugly 'out of round' issues to worry about and it can't help the longevity of integrity of the CE Ring.


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