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Help with knock noise

I noticed that on first start ups there's this knock noise I hear. It goes away after a few minutes or as the engine gets warm.

I'm very hesitant to drive it now cause I don't want to cause any more damage if this is in fact rod knock or what ever it is.

Can anyone help ID this noise?

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Not sure maybe a Gas knock. How old is the gas? What did you do to the car last, did you mess with the engine or did this just start happining.
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Have you checked the valve clearances? Timing chain is usually louder at idle, rod usually sounds deeper, piston slap? Get your stethoscope out and see if you can pinpoint it.
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gas is new. tank was cleaned and flushed before i filled it. i've been trying to get my carbs dialed in and i noticed it when i started it in the mornings it would be pretty loud. that video is not at operating temp but is not at a cold start either.

what i noticed is the #6 cylinder's plug is slightly wet and according to my carb float tool it's the weakest of the 6.
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Sounds like piston slap and it will go away as the pistons warm up...
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You could compare to my knock movie in fourth post
Hopefully your sound is different. In my case cylinder 4 seized, possibly caused by a bore wash

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If you have forged pistons (Nikasils) you often hear a knock/slap when cold. Normal. Same thing happens in SB Chevy's too with FP's.
Rod knock does not go away when warmed up.
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not sure if the pistons in there are forged. i took it to my wrench and will know a little more later or early tomorrow.

as an aside, anyone know if oil weight has anything to do with this? i put 20/50 (after a complete flush) in it and not sure if thats the same weight the PO used.
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If you are playing with the carbs you can make it knock if you get a cylinder too lean. That won't normally go away as the motor warms.
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Doesn't sound quite like a rod knock, but could be a piston pin. If I remember, though, the noise of a loose piston pin changes volume aa the engine is accelerated and decelerated. The other suggestions about piston slap and a loose t chain tensioner are also very viable. Stethoscope should help.
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valves were too tight and stuck open. compression was at 70 psi and after the valve adjustment it came back to 150 psi.

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