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Tippy 11-04-2015 07:07 AM

'Splain me why I need to resurface rockers for new cams?
 
Only reason that made sense to me is, is the rough surface traps oil to prevent galling during wear in.

Is there something I'm missing?

TIA

Dpmulvan 11-04-2015 08:01 AM

New cam and old rockers= different hardness. You want them close to same hardness so one doesn't prematurely wear the other out.

Tippy 11-04-2015 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dpmulvan (Post 8863710)
New cam and old rockers= different hardness. You want them close to same hardness so one doesn't prematurely wear the other out.

So you're saying after resurfacing, they are rehardened? Deeper you go, the less hard they'd be, right?

Josh D 11-04-2015 09:00 AM

Metal to metal contact parts develop a wear pattern over time. If you use a new part with an old part, the old part will cause abnormal wear on the new part, or vice versa. Two new parts, if broken in properly, will wear together and develop a "matched" wear pattern.

Tippy 11-04-2015 09:03 AM

Ah yes, that makes sense. :)

Tippy 11-04-2015 09:04 AM

Ok, we can close this thread. My dumb question was answered. :)

Josh D 11-04-2015 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippy (Post 8863823)
Ok, we can close this thread. My dumb question was answered. :)

Not a dumb question at all. Your question may have saved someone from premature cam or rocker arm wear/failure.

Tippy 11-04-2015 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh D (Post 8863833)
Not a dumb question at all. Your question may have saved someone from premature cam or rocker arm wear/failure.

Very true. Never thought of the uneven wear.

Begs me to question though, say a machine shop does the resurfacing, but their equipment isnt true. Might have been better without resurfacing?

Just a wild guess...

gtc 11-04-2015 10:39 AM

Yes. There are a few threads on here showing rockers that were not resurfaced straight, so only one side contacted the cam.

Tippy 11-04-2015 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtc (Post 8863995)
Yes. There are a few threads on here showing rockers that were not resurfaced straight, so only one side contacted the cam.

Right on, thanks

bgyglfr 11-04-2015 04:57 PM

This is why you need to keep track of where the rockers are when rebuilding if you plan to reuse them with the cams. The wear pattern is unique to each individual rocker/cam surface.

RedCoupe 11-04-2015 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgyglfr (Post 8864674)
This is why you need to keep track of where the rockers are when rebuilding if you plan to reuse them with the cams. The wear pattern is unique to each individual rocker/cam surface.

+1 on replacing rocker arms in the original places ahem reusing cam shafts. It isn't unusual for the rockers and cams to wear unevenly. If you put a rocker arm that has worn with an unusual wear pattern and put it against a re-ground or new cam, the uneven wear pattern of the rocker arm can damage the new cam before it's even broken in. Yes, we have read about poor rocker arm regrinds damaging new cams. But, just because there are some shops that have done bad rocker arm regrinds doesn't mean it's a good idea to install old untouched rocker arms with a new cam.

afterburn 549 11-09-2015 12:25 AM

I went against the grain of thought as I usually do -
I installed a new reground cam.
The old rockers - I broke out the Dremel and polishing sauce. A couple few hours later of my time they were all mirror polished on the working surfaces.
I am not advocating anyone do it this way, but I do not see what other magic could be involved at some other shop.
I sold the car with 50 K on the rebuild, never a problem with it.

Tippy 11-09-2015 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 8869849)
I went against the grain of thought as I usually do -
I installed a new reground cam.
The old rockers - I broke out the Dremel and polishing sauce. A couple few hours later of my time they were all mirror polished on the working surfaces.
I am not advocating anyone do it this way, but I do not see what other magic could be involved at some other shop.
I sold the car with 50 K on the rebuild, never a problem with it.

Thanks for the honesty!

afterburn 549 11-09-2015 06:14 AM

All I know everyone poo-pooed me at the time.
It worked because the engine did not ever develop an ever expanding valve lash adjustment problem.
This would be indicative of a cam lobe / lifter, rocker was wearing away .
If I ever did another engine I would do it again.

afterburn 549 11-09-2015 06:18 AM

When thinking about it , - each engine has a little different cam to rocker foot angle.
Even if you install new cams this angle will stay the same.
it would seem like there is no better choice but to make sure the rocker goes back where it came from as it has a proper angle wore to the foot.
Now if polished up all pretty, it has to be a good fit and contact.
JMO


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