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JonT 12-19-2015 01:55 PM

Playing with plastigage
 
After several failed attempts to get a clean run with the plastigage (and not smearing it), I finally was able to torque up a rod to the crank using the stretch method to .001-.00105 (M9 ARP bolts). Interestingly it took about 45 ft-lbs of torque to get them there and this was using ARP lube. ARP instructions specified 40 ft-lbs.

The crankwork was done by Armando at CCR and the rod journals were sized to .0027-.0028" per his recommendation but I wanted to try the plastigage to learn how to use it to confirm clearances. I'm using my old ARP rod bolts for practice.

I suppose the correct way to do this would be to mount the rod in its final location on the crank, not just any of the journals. I don't know where they will be located yet Im still weighing the piston assemblies. Plastigage seems more like an eyeball check than a highly accurate method of verifying clearances. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1450562089.jpg

Gordo2 12-19-2015 04:12 PM

Plastigage - Indicator
 
Agree - plastigage is good for confirming your journals are in spec, but not for a precise measurement.

Here's my observations from using it during my rebuild:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/788681-checking-connecting-rod-bearing-clearances-plastigage.html

Nice work - measure twice (or as many times as you can stand) and assemble once... ;)

Gordo

boosted79 12-19-2015 04:21 PM

It looks like there's oil on the journal? Plastigauge gets used dry, no oil anywhere, that will give inaccurate results.

JonT 12-20-2015 05:47 AM

I did use a tiny dab of assembly lube to get the plastigage to stick to the journal. Not sure how else to do it. I discovered this from researching plastigage in this thread:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/788681-checking-connecting-rod-bearing-clearances-plastigage.html

boosted79 12-20-2015 07:11 AM

Are those scores in the journal or is that from the assembly lube? Did they grind it or just polish it? Are you using standard or undersize bearings?

JonT 12-20-2015 08:38 AM

No scores on the journals its from the lube. The journals were sized to match the rods with the bearings installed with .0027-.0028 oil clearance. Crank rec'd full treatment magnefluxed, cross drilled, new plugs, polished.

Tippy 12-20-2015 10:15 AM

I'd argue that Plastigauge when done right is more accurate, as folks generally do not know how to use micrometers properly. Not saying everyone, but you have to get the feel and take lots of readings for accuracy.

afterburn 549 12-21-2015 09:29 AM

The plasti stuff has saved my butt more than once.
I always use it as a last QC check.
Somehow the wrong bearings got in the box one time , or was marked wrong....the green stuff is a good final quality control check.
The guys that are pure machinist laugh at it .., but for us who do a engine once in a while , plasti gage is a asset for me.

boosted79 12-22-2015 05:32 AM

x 10. Assume nothing, measure everything.


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