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'78 SC 01-15-2016 03:25 PM

Thanks for the warning. Not obvious it would travel there.

I wonder how much fine stuff get blown through the crankcase vent to the oil tank. I imagine it's just a tornado of oil mist and pulverized metal.

'78 SC 01-15-2016 03:26 PM

Take a look at at these main bearings. Surprisingly little embedded metal, it seems.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1452903999.jpg

Flat6pac 01-15-2016 04:05 PM

Yes the mains actually look descent, not scratched through the rotation.
Bruce

'78 SC 01-15-2016 04:07 PM

Are the mains good enough to reuse?

Flat6pac 01-16-2016 01:06 AM

There is 2 thought processes here. One to fix the fault and the other is to rebuild because you're there. The nice thing about the Porsche design is you can fix the fault.
You ll need a rod, P/C, head, rocker. Check the oil line in the carrier for damage from the rocker.
Remove the mains and mark exactly where they came from in the case to be reused.
Cleaning will be the biggest problems. Oil galleys in the case, galleys in the crank, how scratched up inside is the oil pump?
Etc, etc
Bruce

Tom '74 911 01-16-2016 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by '78 SC (Post 8959244)

Oh my.

I think Bruce is correct. Cleaning is going to be at, or near, the top of the "difficult steps" list.

'78 SC 01-16-2016 12:18 PM

junk getting into lubrication system
 
You said it, Tom. It's going to be a nightmare.

The old race cars had a filter called a "grenade" to keep debris from the external oil system. It's a magnesium casting with a stack of fine mesh filters inside that attached to the motor in place of the internal cooler. I think the name was partly due to its shape but mostly due to it role when an engine "grenaded".

Here's one on a 906 (just aft of #6).

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1452979001.jpg

'78 SC 01-16-2016 01:36 PM

Spun bearing, right?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1452983744.jpg

Flat6pac 01-16-2016 02:02 PM

That's what they look like
Bruce

'78 SC 01-16-2016 02:06 PM

I'm sure there was a cheaper way to learn that. Wikipedia, maybe.

'78 SC 01-16-2016 03:19 PM

Here's the rod journal. No grooving I can detect with fingernail. Not glassy smooth like the others but not rough. Mikes out near low end of wear limit.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1452989931.jpg

Flat6pac 01-16-2016 03:28 PM

Oh, I could have showed you several pictures but you asked after the fact...
Polish out the journal and see if you can straighten it out making it usable then get coated bearings to build up the thickness.
Mike on three different angles to check for oval
Bruce

'78 SC 01-17-2016 09:53 AM

Someone suggested the crankcase spigot can be welded to build it up and machined back to standard height. Is that feasible? The damage is shallow (about 1mm at deepest) and extends about 1.5 inch.

Flat6pac 01-17-2016 10:08 AM

A machine shop will heliarc the low spot and flycut it up to standard.
At that point you might consider using the thicker fiber base gaskets to fill in better.
Bruce

'78 SC 03-10-2016 04:44 AM

crankcase repair
 
OK, I've been slowly working my way through the process of assessing damage, locating replacement parts and cleaning, cleaning, cleaning.

Here's the crankcase after repairs. The repair inside the spigot is obvious, there were also small repairs to the top of the spigot.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1457617306.jpg

'78 SC 03-10-2016 04:54 AM

metal in intake
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 8959270)
You ll have shrapnel in the FI intake too on both sides and the airbox because the junk was blowing up from the pressure in the engine and sucking in on the good cylinders.
Bruce

Right again, Bruce. Here's the bottom end of the #5 intake runner and the breather line from the case to the oil tank.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1457617986.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1457618019.jpg

puddy 03-10-2016 06:05 AM

The horror! So sorry to see this misfortune, best of luck getting her back in track shape!

'78 SC 03-10-2016 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puddy (Post 9031348)
The horror! So sorry to see this misfortune, best of luck getting her back in track shape!

Thanks, Chris.

The clean up has been an enormous task. The whole oil cooling and circulation system had to come out to be flushed, swabbed and ultrasonically cleaned.

In the process, I explored areas I've never seen - here's the inside of the air box.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1457623348.jpg
Note the metal flakes still present after flushing with carb cleaner and flooding twice with solvent. I had to open it up to really clean it.

The good news is I found my air leak.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1457623402.jpg
That's the o-ring that seals the throttle body to the air box protruding.

Flat6pac 03-10-2016 08:24 AM

You found your air leak, so it's all been worth it......in the end
Bruce

'78 SC 03-10-2016 09:21 AM

Yep, finding the air leak is a plus. I'm also having the crank drilled for better oiling and installing a 964 oil pump. Not sure I can stand this much fun again - at least not soon.:(

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1457634015.jpg


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