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Optimusglen 02-14-2018 10:38 AM

2.2T head rebuild - new springs?
 
Question for the knowledgeable. I'll be getting the heads rebuilt on my 2.2T soon. I will be doing new valves, guides, and of course seals. What's the consensus of springs? Is it needed? Do these fail often?

For reference, it's a stock rebuild of a 125hp 2.2T from 1971.

Steam Driver 02-14-2018 11:28 AM

How many miles? Personally I would change them. Relatively cheap insurance. Catastrophic if they fail.

Tippy 02-14-2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Optimusglen (Post 9926011)
Question for the knowledgeable. I'll be getting the heads rebuilt on my 2.2T soon. I will be doing new valves, guides, and of course seals. What's the consensus of springs? Is it needed? Do these fail often?

For reference, it's a stock rebuild of a 125hp 2.2T from 1971.

You test the spring rates to Porsche's specs. If good, you can reuse.

Optimusglen 02-14-2018 11:53 AM

Unknown miles on the engine, if bearing surfaces are any indication it's led a pretty leisurely life.

I'll look into getting the springs tested against the spec.

Looking at our forum sponsors catalog, it's about $171 for the cheapies (O.E.M. brand, which I've never been fond of) and $500-$600 for Porsche or "high performance" aasco springs. I'm just a 914 guy, so those numbers don't fall into the relatively cheap category.

Tippy 02-14-2018 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Optimusglen (Post 9926124)
Unknown miles on the engine, if bearing surfaces are any indication it's led a pretty leisurely life.

I'll look into getting the springs tested against the spec.

Looking at our forum sponsors catalog, it's about $171 for the cheapies (O.E.M. brand, which I've never been fond of) and $500-$600 for Porsche or "high performance" aasco springs. I'm just a 914 guy, so those numbers don't fall into the relatively cheap category.

There's a gentleman here who is selling 30k mile Andial stock replacement ones in the classifieds for only $75.

The title has something like 964 parts in it.

Trackrash 02-14-2018 03:27 PM

Check out Eibach. They have quality 911 sets for around $75.

Optimusglen 02-14-2018 04:56 PM

Thanks Gordon, any idea where I can purchase them online? I see them in their catalog but can't find anywhere to buy them.

Edit: found them a couple places and they're up around the $300 mark.

Matt Monson 02-14-2018 05:17 PM

I'm building a 7500rpm twin plus short stroke 2.5l engine on 73.5 CIS heads. Steve Weiner is prepping them. He's going to test the springs and only replace as needed.

Trackrash 02-14-2018 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Optimusglen (Post 9926544)
Thanks Gordon, any idea where I can purchase them online? I see them in their catalog but can't find anywhere to buy them.

Edit: found them a couple places and they're up around the $300 mark.

I got them a couple of years ago from Summit Racing. I got the race springs, which were on sale at the time. $69 a steal. Might have been a close out. I don' t see Eibach on their site now. Sorry, they were still available last summer, but I guess no more. Summit has some others listed for $99.

https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending &keyword=911%20valve%20springs

cgarr 02-14-2018 06:33 PM

2.2T head rebuild - new springs?
 
Porsche stock springs are very good if in spec and most are out of the thousands I have serviced. But spec is not everything, look for pitting on the spring, that will cause a failure in the future.


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Steve@Rennsport 02-15-2018 10:10 AM

The only time I use aftermarket springs are in race (or track) engines that will see continuous use in excess of 7K RPM.

Its very important to choose such springs wisely since many of them are far too stiff and this puts heavy wear (not to mention drag) on cams, rocker arms, rocker shafts, chain sprockets, idlers, and IS sprockets. In short, you pay a penalty for short component life if you make a mistake. Cheaper isn't always better.

Optimusglen 02-21-2018 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tippy (Post 9926138)
There's a gentleman here who is selling 30k mile Andial stock replacement ones in the classifieds for only $75.

The title has something like 964 parts in it.

Thanks for posting this, I ended up buying these from him.

Tippy 02-21-2018 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Optimusglen (Post 9935210)
Thanks for posting this, I ended up buying these from him.

Great price


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