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Contemplating an R1250RS

Made the mistake of stopping by the St Louis BMW dealer and looking at/sitting on a 2020 R1250RS. Didn't get to test ride it (no gear/weather) so I don't know how they ride. I am sorely tempted, LOL, but the S would have to go. Can anybody that has ridden a 1200RS or 1250RS tell me how they compare to the 1100S in the twisty stuff? Thats where I do most of my riding, with the occasional tour.

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If you wander over to Advrider subforum Road warriors, you can find few threads discussing R12RS ie. R1250RS... Couple of samples and I don't think you need to login to read them - not sure...

https://advrider.com/f/threads/2017-r1200rs-impressions-requested.1417436/

https://advrider.com/f/threads/bmw-r1250rs.1378712/

Riders who didn't experience telelever R bikes may like it, but those who have pass on it despite ESA... LC R12R/RS were only R bikes with conventional forks when LC platform was introduced as GS/GSA/RT have kept the front telelever…

You should definitely try it and see for yourself. As it isn't greatest seller, chances are you can find used R12 LC at sizeable discount as compared to new R1250RS...

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Here's a recent post by an intermittent member who bought one. You could bug him and pick his brain..

Back on an R bike!



I was studying one in Grand Junction and really liked it.
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My advice would be to test ride one.
You will notice the almost complete lack of vibration compared to the S. Seems to have 50% more power. Handling is a subjective thing, but I ride both and there is no fault in the R12. You can push either to your personal limits. I don't miss the telelever when I'm on my RS.

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I agree with Frank's advice. Go ride one and decide for yourself. I was interested in the RS because my 'S was getting long in tooth for long distance touring and the RS was the closest thing on the market to a modern R1100S.

Every time I ride the RS I am amazed at how capable it is. The power delivery is generations on from the R1100 drivetrain. Ride, handling, and braking performance are all very good. I love the electronic cruise control. She does the things I bought her to do very well.

I haven't formed the emotional connection to the RS that I developed with the 'S. I tend to hang on to bikes for the long haul and have no plans to sell the RS. But, I do have plans to never sell the R1100S.

I test rode a R1250RS with the shift cam and honestly didn't notice a difference from my 1200. I do like the instruments on the 1250s over the 1200s. The TFT panel is much easier to read. If you are going to have an electronic suspension, it might as well automatically sense and adjust preload like the 1250s do. None of these 'improvements' are must haves, so if you find a 1200 you like, you'll be just as happy with it.

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I agree with Frank's advice. Go ride one and decide for yourself. I was interested in the RS because my 'S was getting long in tooth for long distance touring and the RS was the closest thing on the market to a modern R1100S.

Every time I ride the RS I am amazed at how capable it is. The power delivery is generations on from the R1100 drivetrain. Ride, handling, and braking performance are all very good. I love the electronic cruise control. She does the things I bought her to do very well.

I haven't formed the emotional connection to the RS that I developed with the 'S. I tend to hang on to bikes for the long haul and have no plans to sell the RS. But, I do have plans to never sell the R1100S.

I test rode a R1250RS with the shift cam and honestly didn't notice a difference from my 1200. I do like the instruments on the 1250s over the 1200s. The TFT panel is much easier to read. If you are going to have an electronic suspension, it might as well automatically sense and adjust preload like the 1250s do. None of these 'improvements' are must haves, so if you find a 1200 you like, you'll be just as happy with it.

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How do you like the bar width when compared to the 1100? I sat on one last
spring but remember looking at the handlebars and questioning whether or not I
could modify it if I didn't like it.
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I never gave the bar width a thought. I did opt for the 1" taller Sport seat because I felt like I was stitting too low in the bike. The taller seat gave me the slight forward lean I am used to and more leg room for my knees.

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Thanks for all the replies. Yes I need to test ride one, hopefully the weather will cooperate soon LOL. I'm looking at ways I can get the 1250 and keep the S (I really like the S). Now how to make space in the garage...

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... I'm looking at ways I can get the 1250 and keep the S (I really like the S). Now how to make space in the garage...

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Well, what do you really expect to get out of the S financially? The old gray mare she ain't what she used to be. They won't normally take a 10 year old + bike on trade, so you could try and find the right buyer and get between $1,500 and (maybe) $4,000 for it. If you don't need the money, it becomes a "well, it isn't worth anything, but on the other hand I'm not going to ever find one like mine again." And looking at your collection, you seem to tend toward keeping things.

Other than the space issue I still love looking at mine, like garage art. And also comparing to the newer bikes I have bought and sold over the last 20 years...
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How do you like the bar width when compared to the 1100?
Just measured both of my bikes- end to end including the bar end weights:
R1200RS- 30.5 inches
R1100S- 30.25 inches

Measuring from outboard edge of the grip rubber end to end:
R1200RS- 27.5 inches
R1100S- 26 inches
I hope that does it for you. I have moved the bars on the S to above the top tree, no difference in width. I have a Helibars riser on the RS which doesn't change the bar width either.

The RS has more seat to peg distance than the S as I have the standard seat on both and is overall a more relaxed seating position than the S.

The S is a great day ride for me and I have done close to 300 miles in a day on it without undue physical drama. I wish the S had the R1100RT/RS 6th gear transmission ratio for highway droning. I have done 600+ miles in a day on the RS on a multi-day trip. With right shoulder problems the cruise control is a godsend.

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CK, yes I don't think I could get much for the old girl, and I have got quite a bit of time and $ invested in it. It's probably worth more to me as garage art and the occasional ride. It really is the best all around motorcycle I have ever had.

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If you can keep the 'S, its a fun comparison to the RS. After a lot of miles on the RS, the 'S feels old school. But, after a few miles on the 'S, the familar feelings come rushing back. Throw an airhead in the collection and you can detect hints all three are related.

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I sold my R1100s with 140,000 miles in 2017 and bought a R1200RS to replace it. I now have 70,000 miles on the RS.

The RS is a much nicer bike all around. It has more power, better wind protection, and more comfortable. I have no issue with the lack of a telever. RS doesn’t pitch on it’s nose when I grab a hand full of front brake. I’m pretty sure it has linked brakes.

The best parts of the bike are dynamic electronic suspension adjacement, cruise control, adjustable height windshield, and automatic stability control (traction control).

I clutchless upshift and clutchless downshift on all my bikes, so the quickshifter doesn’t do anything drastic to improve my ride. I never found engine modes to be useful. Rain mode feels too sluggish. The only ding I have is the instructment display. It is too cluttered and busy.
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I am not in the position to afford a new R1250RS but I did stop by NYC BMW Motorad to check out the bike... its drool worthy. Since I don't have the finances to afford these bikes, I get a kick out of completing "thought experiments" on owning such bikes. Although I am a fan of technology and innovation I personally don't like all of the gizmo's and gadgets of the new BMW's when compared to the R1100S. I may be biased because I don't have the funds to afford such things. But I think its dependent on what you live for. My brother likes the new stuff, I like the old stuff. I drove my first R1100S last week and I was sold after I got the thing up to speed. I like the rawness and experience of an older machine versus the new stuff. And I personally like the notion of kicking a leg over, starting the ignition and riding away. I don't like playing around with menus and riding modes.
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I picked up my r1200rs for 10k with low miles
a set of risers and a varo windshiled and now it is pretty comfy to ride.
I would like the better display from a 1250 and they are retrfitting them on
some gs models.
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I picked up my r1200rs for 10k with low miles, a set of risers and a varo windshiled and now it is pretty comfy to ride. I would like the better display from a 1250 and they are retrfitting them on some gs models.
I'm not sure who they are but there's no way of retrofitting TFT screens from newer LC GS/As onto old-er ones w analog instrument clusters (LCs prior to '18)… The topic was discussed at nauseum on advrider.com...

Not sure if same applies to RSs btw 12 and 1250 as they all had/have different clusters... TFT on all 1250s is still work-in-progress in terms of being well integrated w phones/NAV/etc through connectivity app so if you're otherwise happy w R12RS, enjoy it as it is...

GS/As and RTs are coming due for new R13 platform in just coupla of years (rumored 2023) which platform will most likely find its way to R/RSs so you can get newer platform with most likely better TFT then...
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Anyone have picture of a R1200RS with the rear cleaned up of the luggage racks etc and a tail tidy?
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Anyone have picture of a R1200RS with the rear cleaned up of the luggage racks etc and a tail tidy?
Not RS but R - same difference at the rear end less ginormous German lic plate...

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Well, I bit the bullet and went ahead and bought a 2020 R1250RS. Imperial blue, comfort pkg, touring pkg, dynamic pkg, exclusive style pkg, select pkg. The dealer seems to be only getting fully loaded models, but that what I wanted anyway. I also got the side cases and NAV. I've only ridden it about 10 miles so far in city traffic and 38 degree temperature, so all I can really say is the heated grips work. LOL! Have to get it home and go for some more relaxed/warmer rides to get a good opinion, but I like it so far.

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