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TBR system too loud?!

I found a local guy selling a TBR (two brothers racing) system with the aluminum cans and cat replacement pipe. Was a reasonable deal so thought I would give it a try.

Great around town, but a 15 mile highway ride left my ears ringing. Maybe I'm getting too old, but didn't think it would be that loud since it has a more deeper tone without seeming too overly loud.

Don't want to use ear plugs all the time, so trying to decide the following:

1) rebuild the cans to see if that is the real problem
2) leave the cat pipe but go back to the stock cans
3) leave the TBR cans and put the cat back on.

My objective is to have a little sound out of the bike over the stock whisper, but not too loud I piss off others in a group ride or go deaf.

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first off- i'm a big proponenet of ear plugs, as they cut out the endless wind noise that will leave you with permanenet hearing loss after a number of years of this. no more ringing ears at the end of a full day riding, either. whether you do that or not, it's gonna be the cans that are the major exhaust noise culprit. start off by repacking them (that's why many of us prefer going to Lazer or Staintune). if that's still too loud; well, yes, you are probably too old.
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The cat pipe and stck can works well for me, but if you decide to give up the TBR can let me know

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Just my 1/50 of a dollar, but I NEVER put on my helmet without putting in ear plugs. Riding without ear plugs causes hearing loss over time; the damage is cumulative and irreversable.

Wind noise on the S is worse than any other bike I've ever owned (including unfaired ones). The stock low windshield seems to route air just under the helmet, making wind roar unusually loud. Even my higher Cee Bailey's screen dumps the air just above my chin bar.
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Here's another perspective to ponder. I am one that never wears earplugs when riding. I've always hated not being able to hear everything that's going on around me at all times. I guess it's because I started riding on dirt bikes and always had to know all the subtle changes in engine noises or risking blowing an engine if I wasn't completely aware of what was going on at any moment. At any rate, I have noticed no hearing loss over 35 years of riding, what...? huh...?, but that's another issue. Maybe not using earplugs has affected my eyesight though cause that definitely has gone in the krapper over the years.

Anyway, my point is that when I first got my Staintunes, and since I don't wear earplugs...huh?, I thought they were going to be too loud or at least annoying sounding for me too. I got a set or baffles for them and rode that way for several months. I later tried them again without the baffles and think they sound just fine uncorked. I think it was mainly the difference over the super quiet stock pipes that made them sound so loud in the beginning. The Two Brothers cans are a bit louder than the Staintunes, but should not be at all annoying to other riders. I would try repacking them if they are more than 6 months old and give them some more miles to get used to. You first need to purge your brain of the stock exhaust sound...huh...wuh...
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I had a hearing test this week at the audiologist and was identified as having moderate hearing loss in one ear, a result of many years of loud noise - bikes, cars, race tracks, and rock&roll. No big problem at this point - it's just difficult to understand conversations in places with a lot of background noise, like parties and restaurants. The good news is that it has become a waste of money to buy expensive stereo gear anymore. :}

The few times I have worn ear plugs on bikes I was surprised at how helpful they really are - definitely less tired at the end of a long day. And even though I always suit up in a good riding suit, boots, gloves, and helmet, somehow I forget the $2.00 ear plugs 99% of the time. And by the way, I ride with unbaffled Staintunes.

My wife and I went skiing yesterday and the snow making machines were on full blast all day. It didn't seem bad at all til we got off the slopes, and we both simultaneously commented on how good the quiet sounded.

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IMO don't worry about pissing other people off by the sound of your bike. Their is no way that the current exhaust systems could be louder than most Harleys. I for one have a system that could be taken as loud,(hehehe), but it is just music to my ears,(with earplugs for wind noise). Motoyoyo has said that it isn't load when he was behind me but like he said he is going deaf. the whole point of this excerise is to make the bike the way you like it.
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One thing about gradual hearing loss. The person losing the hearing is the last one to notice it.
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Wah...?...Huh...?
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Thats what my dad keeps saying! What??!

Earplugs are funny though. If I wear all day, which I always do when I ride, when I get back home and take them out I can hear my carpet scrunching under my feet and all the odd little sounds!
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Sounds like a repack is in order first and I think I will try riding with ear plugs to see if I can get used to it.

I got a good deal on the pipes, but further down the road I really want a staintune system which allows for removable baffles.

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Sell it to someone thats wants the niose like i did and buy the StainedTuner full system, you wont be unhappy.
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Thanks for the deal Acidburn!
I recently been expermenting wiht the TBR system. I took off the TBR cans and installed my stock cans. What I was left with was a little deeper tone to the exhaust. I was also left with a horrible buzz/vibration in the 4k-5k rpm range (where i like to be at) and it got buzzier but not as defined as the rpm's increased. Make sence??
Anyhow, Im gonna reinstall the TBR cans, and ride the crap out of them. They *may* be a bit loud, but who cares!?!?
If others complain in the group ride, fall to the back and chill out!

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I won't comment on the too-loud exhaust, but please figure out a way to come to peace with wearing earplugs. Believe me, you won't like the 747 that taxis around in my head all the time, which is what you'll get after 20-30 years of riding without earplugs, no matter how quiet the exhaust.

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Hey markjenn, I wear earplugs!
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I have been wearing ear plugs since the late seventies, mainly at first to reduce fatigue on long trips. Took me a while to get used to them, but now it feels very strange without them, even just down to the local garage to fuel up before a ride.

Remember that wind noise - no matter how quiet your helmet is - exceeds industrial safety levels at relatively low speeds.

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Why can't those bastages just build a truly "quiet" helmet, not what they bogusly-tout as "astonishingly quiet?" I agree 100% that plugs are necessary on anything lasting more than a few minutes, but still would prefer not to have to use them. BTW i'm not talking about bargain lids but $400 Shoeis, Arais, etc...

I ask again, why not? If stereo headphones can be made to reduce sound pressure volumes greater than 30 db, why can't a m/c helmet do the same?
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I'm surprised this hasn't evolved into the "best" earplug discussion yet. I'll throw my 2 cents in. Any earplug, whether its the $0.59 ones from NAPA in the box on the counter or the $60 custom fit, will be better for your long (and short) term ear protection and hearing than none. You only have five senses you know!
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Roundel:
with all the breath good stuff on your bike, what chip did you use?
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