Top rating honors already - this just in.

[vics]

Dr. Curve might have theorized "world's top motorcycle" (for the K1200S) correctly - at least as cited by early, European publications: (Motorrad has rated the K-S with the maximum number of points ever in their tests.) - Nice going bud

Check it out

[motoman]

"Meanwhile, K1200S delays continue, largely due to the rough low-end behavior cited by journalists."

Doesn't sound like the World's best bike to me...

As a matter of fact, considering everything that has happened with the K12S so far, I'd have to say its heritage is now tainted forever and it will never become the bike it was supposed to be.

On another note, Ohlins has recently announced electronically adjustable shocks, which means that anyone will be able to retrofit their bike with this feature.

Let's try to remain impartial here, people.

[vics]

Originally posted by motoman
"Meanwhile, K1200S delays continue, largely due to the rough low-end behavior cited by journalists."

Doesn't sound like the World's best bike to me...

As a matter of fact, considering everything that has happened with the K12S so far, I'd have to say its heritage is now tainted forever and it will never become the bike it was supposed to be.

Let's try to remain impartial here, people.

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Nice out of context cutting & pasting there bud...
Oh yeah, We should just re-title "you" "Impartial, Bored, Thread Killer"

[motoman]

You just WANT the K12S to be a great bike. Face it: So far, BMW has blown it by announcing the bike too soon before it was ready.

Of course they only had 5 years to work the bugs out.

You can bet the competition will be taking advantage of this stumble and bring out bikes that are faster, cheaper, and have fewer problems. Especially after they've had a great opportunity to see what they're up against.

Personally I wouldn't go near the K12S for at least 2 years.

I will say, that I like the flowing lines of the current K12RS much better. Especially in Black.

P.S. You can just call me 'Killa' for short

[vics]

Originally posted by motoman
You just WANT the K12S to be a great bike. Face it: So far, BMW has blown it by announcing the bike too soon before it was ready.

Of course they only had 5 years to work the bugs out.


Personally I wouldn't go near the K12S for at least 2 years.

5 Years (?)

"Killa":
It "is" a great bike - Forget "want" (already got the "want" covered on this end ) - Let us not forget how bad the "RS" was in 1998 - how many major recalls? Cams in the "S"? NO biggie, replace before shipping to the public while using journalists as "beta" testers! - Hell, better than customers ! They've blown nothing, any press is GREAT press.... wait & see what the "second round" of mags/articles will be saying "An even better bike" - Hey, it's ALL about marketing...

[motoman]

Hey, it's ALL about marketing...

No, it's NOT all about marketing.

I kinda thought that's what we BMW owners are all about.

If it was all about marketing, we'd be riding the latest GSX/ZX/CBR/FZR whatever. I think BMW owners are looking for advanced, reliable technology, good design, and good service. Until recently BMW ownership was almost cult-like.

I don't mind a few recalls. But what's happening with this bike has gotta be pretty embarrassing for the folks at BMW worldwide. Both marketing and engineering.

[Mr. Deltoid]

This does not change the fact that the Blackbird, ZX-12 and others are perfectly suited for sport touring-the K1200S target customer.Lets not even get into upgrades that can be made with the THOUSANDS you just saved buying that rice burner.I'm sure it's a marvelous teutonic statement, but if your paying a premium for a supposed superior machine, it damn well better have the bugs worked out... R1200S please!!

[Kam]

shouldn't this be in the K12S forum, oh yeah, nobody reads that...cause nobody has one.

[vics]

Originally posted by motoman
I think BMW owners are looking for advanced, reliable technology, good design, and good service.
I don't mind a few recalls.

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Yep, and that's why we're not buying " GSX/ZX/CBR/FZR"

'Killa; got 20K miles on the Busa - (BTW it's not a "sport-tourer" nor is the ZX-12R) - Feels like it's got 120K .... These are "throw away" rides....... Sort of like a night in Amsterdam.. or Vegas....

[shannonnunley]

Hey Vics... I would kill for a tech manual for the K1200RS.

What's a guy gotta do?

[motoman]

Vic:

First of all, I don't even know why you come on this board. Did you know this is the 'S' Boxer board? Did you know most of us are into Twins and not Inline-4 motors? Did you know most of us can spot you 30hp and still outride any K-Bike owner on your board?

I also happen to have a Busa. Mine's an '01. It's tight as a drum! I know guys with 50K+ miles on theirs, still going strong, burning zero oil.

Maybe you shouldn't have bought the First Year Model. Seems like that's a pattern with you.

[JonyRR]

Hey Vics;
I love that M5; having a '94 530I, one can only imagine how the M5 goes.

[Chris Geuting]

Yes this is high praise indeed because MOTORRAD is a slave to Honda's advertising money...
And I like the approach taken much better t admit that there are still some glitches on an all new product and have them worked out BEFORE the get into customers hands as doing it the other way around.Even if some guys are disappointed that they have to wait a little longer "Vorfreude ist die schoenste Freude" like the old german proverb says...;-)
(the joy of anticipation is the biggest joy)
Like the joy of sex when the fantasies were better than the reality...;-)
But of course you can also buy a Ducati where you get flaking rockerarms despite the manufacturer knowing about this problem and doing nothing about it or like Harleys cambearings that fail but Harley won't repair in advance but you have to wait until stranded on the road to get the repair covered or Hondas cheesy timingchain tensioners that are are regular wear and tear item...
Gut Ding will Weile haben...(a good thing needs a little time)
Chris
PS:The Ohlins adjustable shocks are only available for the K1200RS/GT and to my knowledge only change preload/rebound but not springpreload electrically like the ESA system on he K12S...

[markjenn]

Guys, BMW does the right thing by holding back production for a few months while they work out the bugs and everybody is proclaiming the bike is a failure and damning them for a recall, which it is decidedly not. Recalls are AFTER the sale.

Sure, it's a great idea to wait a year or two on the K1200, but hey, that's true for any new-design vehicle, any make. Honda has stumbled badly recently - how'd you like to be a new GoldWing owner and have to have your bike stripped and the frame TIG welded by the local Honda grease-monkeys? And that was an official recall, done after people had paid their money.

BMWs have their share of problems, but in this case, BMW deserves applause, not scorn for the way they've handled the K1200S (so far). And let's not pronouce the bike a success or a failure until one is actually sold, Okay?

Play fair.

- Mark

[vics]

Originally posted by motoman
Vic:

I also happen to have a Busa. Mine's an '01. It's tight as a drum! I know guys with 50K+ miles on theirs, still going strong, burning zero oil.

Maybe you shouldn't have bought the First Year Model. Seems like that's a pattern with you.

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Why?
Don't know- More poignant a question would be why "you" like to bash threads continuously? In reality, I like to give insecure twits fits - I consider it "sport" Why do "you" read about the K1200S (?)

Who suggested my Busa has problems or burns oil?
Bud, it's perfect (& not the "restricted", lower power version edition you've got - but you already knew about the 99 & 00 years being more desirable/powerful.. right? ) - it's just a "Japenese" bike.

Regarding a race? - Bring it on 'Killa......

[motoman]

You're not giving me any fits at all, Vic. I know you like to see if you can provoke people, but it's not working with me. I can dish it out just as fast as you. You don't seem to be doing so well on this particular discussion. But it's all in fun of course!

I don't know if you would consider the K12S situation a 'recall' or not. But I would say announcing and shipping a bike, and then having them ALL shipped back qualifies as a major blunder. Even if no one actually took possession. Why don't you check back when the K12S is actually released and we all know the MSRP.

Regarding the Busa: Your words:

got 20K miles on the Busa - Feels like it's got 120K ..

I don't know what that means but it can't be good. And of course let me point out, (since you are so uninformed) that I have the TRE, a $50 diode which completely unrestricts all Busa's after '00. Yes it's a Japanese bike, and no I didn't buy it as a collector item. But it did achieve the same specs as the K12S 5 years earlier. And for a lot less money. I think that counts for something.

We can take this offline anytime and spare the board from watching you being thoroughly embarrassed. Just PM me your email addy.

[vics]

Originally posted by motoman
You're not giving me any fits at all, Vic. but it's not working with me.

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Dude- you're the one blowing up ... take.. a ....deep... breath.....

Provoking?
The onus is upon you to effectively articulate & "de-personalise" an opposing view point should you choose to argue information presented by your bretheren herein. It's evident that you're incapable of this….But we can still remain friends ….

TRE is but one Busa change of several required to "un restrict" to some degree - but @ the end of the day, the 99 & 00 had more RWHP than subsequent generations "And" had the "220" MPH speedo unlike the wimpy 180 MPH variants to follow....

But you already "knew" all this ... right?

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[Skippy]

Who much money does it take to make the busa look good?

[acidburn]

The worlds best bike that they cant produce, what a joke.
typical euro failed R&D efforts to market.

[motoman]

So let me get this straight: One minute you're bashing your own Busa as being a tired, Japanese bike, and the next minute you're trying to tell us how great it is? Get your story straight, my friend.

Don't worry Vic--I've done lots of other mods on mine like PAIR removal, air box, Yosh 4-2-1, Yosh box, front sprocket, etc. etc.
No, I don't have a 220mph speedo, but of course I could easily install one if I cared enough to buy a dial and recalibrate mine with a yellow box. And of course, why don't you share with all of us the last time you actually went OVER 180MPH on your tired old Japanese bike?

You better be careful Pal--You are exposing yourself for the True Poser that you really are.

But this is the S board. I know wer'e on opposite coasts, but let's see if we can meet up sometime with my S and your K12 and have a little friendly competition. Pink Slips, perhaps?